EMF Pioneer Lloyd Burrell sits down with CEO B.D. Erickson II for a featured interview on ElectricSense to examine the best solutions for achieving protection from dirty electricity.
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Lloyd Burrell started suffering from Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (EHS) all the way back in 2002. He dedicated himself to over a decade of research learning more about electromagnetic fields and finding solutions for coping with EHS. Lloyd's health made a miraculous recovery after years of suffering from massive fatigue and unexplained aches/pains. He founded ElectricSense in 2009 with the spirit of providing resources to those who also suffer from EHS. ElectricSense has a dedicated global following of over 100k subscribers. In 2019, Lloyd took the health community by storm when he published the book 'EMF Practical Guide' which is widely regarded as one of the most comprehensive books on the subject matter of Electromagnetic fields.
Lloyd Burrell welcomed CEO B.D. Erickson II for a featured interview on ElectricSense. B.D. shares his harrowing experiences that led to him learning more about Electromagnetic fields and what ultimately led to the inception of Satic. He goes into vivid detail about the science behind dirty electricity, the attributes of electricity that can cause it to be dirty in the first place, and how to be protected from it. He also gives guidance on how you can measure the amount of dirty electricity in your homes or place of business.
Lloyd: Hello and welcome. My name is Lloyd Burrell. My mission is sharing solutions and raising awareness so that we can all live a healthy life in our electromagnetic world. Today, I’m thrilled to have as my guest, BD Erickson. BD is the CEO of Satic USA, an American electronics manufacturer and distributor of clean power, energy-efficient products. He has business and science degrees and is a graduate of Tony Robbins’ Mastery University and Leadership Academy. Satic’s goal is to empower people to conserve health, natural, and financial resources during conservation’s most important time in human history, with high-quality American-made products. So today, we’re going to be talking about dirty electricity specifically and the science behind this, because there’s quite a bit of science behind this, the dangers, you know, just how dangerous this is, and we’re going to be talking about BD’s amazing work with clean power, energy-efficient products that his company has developed over the years. Also, BD will be sharing some inexpensive solutions and protection tips. BD is based in Missoula, Montana, and you can learn more about what he does at the website www.saticshield.com. BD, welcome.
BD: Thank you, Lloyd. Happy to be here.
Lloyd: It’s a pleasure to have you on. So I just want to start by asking you, how did this all start for you? How did you get interested in electronics? And then, how did that branch out into clean power and these energy-efficient products specifically?
BD: You know Lloyd, whenever you’re in business, there’s a business story. But often, business starts with a personal story. How do you end up on the path you’re on, it’s decisions made along the way and oftentimes, those decisions are made by personal things that impact us. I’ll tell you, Lloyd, this is the first interview where I have publicly shared my story in 13 years of EMF and dirty electricity research, engineering, and manufacturing. Many years ago in my youth, I married the prettiest and smartest girl in my town by some margin. After graduating from the University of Montana, we moved to the University of Hawaii where she got her grad degree. We had a beautiful little boy that she gave me, and tragically, she left this plane in an automobile accident and left a single dad now with a little boy who had not in the last two years missed a day of school. He had two perfect attendance records in a row. He never has gotten a B. Well, we were a long way from home, so we moved back to Montana to be closer both to my family and hers where I could have help. Bought a very functional, lovely home, Lloyd, under the biggest power lines you’ve ever seen, criminally close to our home and literally the biggest power lines in our city of about 100,000 people. So it’s pretty substantial. I didn’t give it a moment’s thought. Our first year was foggy and in a daze to be sure, but excellent attendance, excellent grades from our hero, our little guy who had done that consistently. It was the following, it was not immediately, trouble sleeping for the little guy. Grumpy at school, just not his normal self, anxious over things that felt very real to him but were not indeed real to the rest of us. Missed days of school, grades slacking, trouble in school. And I truly felt at this point like I had failed my wife like I had failed my child. I couldn’t understand why I could not get those same results.
Lloyd: How old was he?
BD: He was nine. So about 11 years of age is when they really start to manifest you know, a little bit of a lag. I had been working in electronics manufacturing and sales. The company that I worked for made a really high-quality CFL light. CFLs, they’re the devil, if you will. You know, 130 years ago, Edison invents the filament incandescent light bulb and it lights our world for 120, 130 years. And then the federal government, in the United States at least, phased those out and brought this compact fluorescent light and that meant a lot of things among the Montana Manufacturing Extension Board, Montana Manufacturing Extension Center, District Export Council. Not that I’m a big shot. I care about jobs, I care about people having a career path that they love, I care about manufacturing jobs impact the community. So I get to tour these facilities and help people with their processes and overcome problems. So one of the things that happened from that, number one, a lot of light bulb manufacturing facilities in Michigan shut down and started importing these CFLs. These compact fluorescent lamps had some attributes that were very different, that changed electricity on a global scale that a lot of people don’t realize. The incandescent bulb is a resistor. So it makes about 90 to 95% heat and a byproduct of that heat is light. Well, as we know, heat and a resistor will actually clean electricity and we’re gonna get to that later, Lloyd, the inexpensive things you do to clean electricity. What happened is everybody in the US, according to the Department of Energy, has about 30 to 35 light bulbs. And they clean electricity 20 years ago. Now, they get rid of those and they bring in 30 to 35 light bulbs, that have dirty electricity. So a massive change happened there that I’ll get to later. So venturing back to my personal story, I worked for a company that makes excellent light bulbs that didn’t dirty the electricity. Now, we weren’t doing it for health, Lloyd. We were doing it so the light bulb remains cool and if the light bulb remains cool, it lasts longer. It lasts longer, you save money on replaceable, and it doesn’t go under landfill. I’m also a bit of a greenie. It doesn’t go under landfill. So when my child started having these acute disorders and vague disorders, I really began to investigate why, and his symptoms matched up with EHS, electromagnetic hypersensitivity. And I realized it was probably the power lines. Like in your book, it’s something that you can’t always put your thumb on it. You can’t smell it, you can’t see it, taste it. But the effects are there. It’s like, do you have to see it to know it? I can’t see my friend’s brain but do I have to see it to know that it’s there? No. He’s moving. He’s animated. He’s talking. The results themselves make it self-evident that indeed he has one. So I don’t need to see it to definitively know that it’s there. So I, having an engineering background - I’m not a professional engineer but I’ve taken a lot of classes, and I do have a science degree - I said, “I’m going to try and sort this.” I was not in a financial position where you just up and move. That happens to a lot of people too. They’re in a place where they’re EHS, they got dirty electricity, they’ve got something that’s making them ill, but they don’t have the financial means to just pick up and move that day. So one of the things I wanna do on this talk too is address that, some things you can do today to take some actions and start feeling better. Well, I formed an all-star cast. Our lead engineer is a Ph.D. engineer, he went to MIT in Michigan. His Ph.D. is actually in biomechanical engineering. So I felt he was really perfect. He worked on Montana’s Department of Energy’s energy plan for the state. My number two engineer, [inaudible 08:41], he worked for Craftsman Tools, a company called Jore. He made the brushless motor, which is a larger version of that brushless motor powers the Tesla automobile. He’s on my team. Dr. [inaudible] has a Ph.D. in Physics. He’s on my team. We set out to identify what in electricity is considered dirty, what things are happening to and in the electricity that are harmful to equipment and the biological, and how to make a component set to attack it. I’m a single dad, I’m a voracious reader, I hope that I’m a clear thinker and a rational person, and Lloyd, I spent the next decade of my life trying to save my child. And that has become, through personal experience, the main focus of my life in my 40s.
Lloyd: How is your child today? That is the first thing I want to ask you.
BD: Excelling. It was not immediate. I don’t want to paint it with a rosy brush or glasses. It took us some time to identify it, and then say, “What do we do? How do we shield this? How do we attack this? How do we defeat it?” And then once you begin to lower the negative emissions that you’re getting, how do you now begin to heal? How do you begin now to reverse these things and add health? So that’s part of the journey as well, Lloyd.
Lloyd: Perhaps we could talk about that a little bit because I know there’s people that are listening that want to learn from what you’ve learned in your journey with your little boy. So perhaps we can talk about that also. Just curious, you stayed in that house with the power lines or you moved?
BD: We did for a short time. And then I had this real dilemma. You move, you’ve helped you. Now, who do you make sick? Who do you sell it to? Are you a big person and tell them? They’re not going to want to move there. They’re gonna make their kids sick? No, they’re not. So that house is still owned by us. That house now, on a dirty electricity meter - I don’t care if it’s a Satic meter, if it’s a Greenwave or a Stetzerit is under 25 on all outlets all the time, which is outstanding. We used Y brand paint. We used Satic Shields, EMF field shield. We did the attics, we did the walls, we did the ceilings and now, that home, I believe as a professional in the field, is a safer place, a lower-EMF, lower-WiFi, lower dirty electricity shelter than any other home that I’ve ever step foot in the history of my life, even being about 30 yards from power lines.
Lloyd: One of the big problems with power lines, or often, the biggest problem is magnetic fields. The problem with magnetic fields is that they’re really hard to shield. Technically, it’s possible but it’s very difficult and expensive. So how did you do that?
BD: So you’re correct, a lot of people say EMF, electromagnetic field. Well, slow down. We have an electric field that’s caused by voltage. We have a magnetic field that’s caused by current. So those really are two different things. So what does a power line has? Darn it, it has exceedingly high voltage. You’re talking about maybe 60,000V. So you’re going to get a big electric field. And then, what’s the current on those lines? I’m not a [inaudible 12:34], I don’t know. But at 60,000 V, it’s going to be a lot of current, a lot of watts. So you have that magnetic field and that magnetic field is harder to shield, yet, fortunately, does really dissipate quite rapidly over distance. So if you put a filter perhaps in your wall - and I don’t care what brand - when you put an electronic, when you plug it in, you’re really going to create those fields. You really are. And for a very short distance, Lloyd, you’re going to exacerbate those fields. But they’re going to dissipate over 30 inches quite rapidly. By the time you get to 40, it’s quite low. So one of the things that we want to do is navigate and mitigate where you put them, where you’re going to decide where you’re gonna have a buffer zone, I call it. So it’s like you’ve got something that’s really bad and you want to live in a space that’s really clean. But sometimes, in order to get to that clean space, we need a buffer zone. We need an area that we’re not going to put our pillow on it. We’re not going to put our favorite, comfortable chair or our computer by it. We’re not going to put our sleep space by it. We’re going to allow that space as usable space as our buffer zone to lower the dirty electricity, the fields, etc. So some really great things had been invented by NASA. One of the things that Satic is very known for is the repurposing of NASA patents. Now, we’re an American company. We’re an American licensed engineering, Six Sigma Lean Manufacturing facility. And Americans own collectively, NASA, our space program. So NASA works with leading companies in the private sector. They invent these incredible technologies. Once they deem it appropriate - I don’t know how they arrive at this decision - they release those patents. And then, other companies like Satic, we scramble to grab those patents and we use them and repurpose them, reconfigure, retool them so that we can use them for us. When you’re on this planet, when you’re on this beautiful gem, this miracle of nature, we’re protected from a lot of fields and a lot of waves. Our ozone and atmosphere protect us. But we get these astronauts to space now in this pop can. If you spend any time really looking at NASA stuff - I have personally - I don’t know if I want to spend three days in the pop can. When you get outside the atmosphere and the ozone, you’re no longer protected. So they have titanium dioxide ceramics. They have carbon paints. They have shielding, aluminum, and then resistive layers that protect them. So at Satic, we have repurposed multiple NASA patents. So our Field Shield - and I don’t want to get too producty here - it is aluminum, which is a conductor. It is a closed-cell polyethylene foam which is a resistor. It’s aluminum again, which is a conductor. And then we paint that in our special painting process with that titanium dioxide ceramic coating. And then, we use Y brand EMF carbon paint. And then, we have a special adhesive that we spent three years engineering to then put another layer of the aluminum conductor, resistor, conductor, and then we fasten and grommet all those together to get continuity. And then, it creates any size of shield that you want, poster-sized, or you can roll it out in your attic, anything. It must be grounded. You can’t just hang it. So it comes with a grounding cable. Once you put that up, those three NASA patents in that product, they work. It’s very inexpensive and it’s exceedingly effective in reducing electric fields, marginally effective in reducing magnetic fields because we know what a challenge those are. But it allows you to create a much safer space, reasonably inexpensively and very easily if perhaps moving is not an option for you today.
Lloyd: So that is for the electric fields. Just to get back to the question about the power lines, in your case, the magnetic fields were not a problem, is that what you’re saying?
BD: No. They are certainly a problem. But they dissipate in my yard pretty drastically. So with the extensive level of shielding and filtering we’ve done, once it actually reaches inside the house, the magnetic fields are not higher than an acceptable rating.
Lloyd: So the shielding and the mitigation that you have done is principally about radiofrequency radiation and electric fields, and dirty electricity of course, but not magnetic fields. Agreed?
BD: Yes. Drastically less on magnetic fields. You don’t say no effect. But magnetic fields, less affected.
Lloyd: Because of the shielding of these other three elements, is that what you’re saying?
BD: That’s correct.
Lloyd: So can we go just very quickly, back the basics? Some people may be confused by part of the conversation we’ve had already. We’ve gone a little bit in-depth very quickly. So perhaps you could give us your definition of EMFs and also EMI because that is also relevant to this conversation, and perhaps explain where dirty electricity fits into all of this.
BD: Sure. I apologize to you and our readers for going too quickly too deep down into the rabbit hole. So let’s start at an easier level. I love the way the EMF Practical Guide starts, your book. I love that it starts with tobacco and cigarettes.
Lloyd: Thank you.
BD: That’s really the way I like to table it for a lot of people. A lot of people might ask a question that’s very reasonable. “Hey, if dirty electricity is real, why does the power company allow it? If these levels are bad for you, why doesn’t the government regulate it? Where does it come from? How do I measure it?” etc. The reality is that dirty electricity has some aspects that may get dirty electricity and some pretty standard causes. Sometimes, we have to look to ourselves for a solution. We know that Rome had the aqueducts and they were fantastic. We also know that Rome delivered water via lead to its people for hundreds of years. So it was a real breakthrough technology. Yet, it had this unknown side effect. We know in the ‘50s, USA, the Department of Energy wanted to reduce energy costs. So they blew asbestos into every school, every government building, that later had bad effects. We know that GIs got cigarettes. We know that babies’ cribs had lead paint, and we know that a lot of plastic chew toys for babies had PPE plastics and plastics that were bad for them. So, unfortunately, as the world changes, as the world morphs, as technologies come out, there are sometimes unforeseen side effects. So dirty electricity, electricity has some standards by which it’s regulated by which it’s standardized. First of all, it’s 60Hz. What is that? That’s really simple, it’s how often the wave crests. If you’ve been on a lake and it’s kind of a stormy day and the waves come in - it’s a wonderful, peaceful sound to sleep to in my opinion - they hit the beach quite frequently. Now, if you’ve ever laid on the beach in Waikiki or Hawaii, these huge waves seem like they pull out for a block, they make these huge mountainous waves and they crash, how many times do the wave crash on the beach in one minute, is frequency. How frequently it occurs? In the US, that should be 60. If I’m going to water my lawn, I’m going to go outside and I’m going to gently turn on my spigots so that I can water first my lilies. I don’t want to blow to top off my lilies. I want it to just drip. Now Lloyd, the chihuahua from next door comes over and takes a dookie in my yard, and because I’m a sinful and imperfect man, I put my thumb over the hose and I squirt it in the bottom because I’m a rascal. What I did by putting my thumb over it? I raised the voltage because the voltage is the pressure. I’m going to wash my automobile now, Lloyd. So I go back to my faucet and I really crank it up. More water’s coming out. The other name for amperage in electricity is current. The water is the current. So those three things really are the most crucial aspects of electricity. Do I have my thumb over or not? That’s the voltage, the pressure. How much water is coming out, that’s the current or the amperage. When you multiply volts with amps, you get watts. So you want electricity, within the standard of the US, it’s 120V. Next, when I was a kid, when I would come home from school and watch TV, my mom would vacuum, sometimes cleaning before my father got home from work. When she would vacuum, it would put lines on my television. As a youth, I would jump up and mess with the ears because the rabbit ears on the telly, that’s how I got good viewing, right? But I know now as an adult that it didn't have anything to do with my signal. So what’s happening is clean power was coming into my mom’s vacuum. The motor was creating harmonics and distortion. It was returning on the parallel line, on the neutral line, and affecting my TV. Now, my mom didn’t climb behind the TV to plug it into the same outlet. That’s nonsense. She plugged it in someplace where she had a lot of cord room, right, where she can vacuum a lot of space without moving. So what happens to that electricity is by the use of a device, it gets degraded. It adds THD, total harmonic distortion, waves that are different than that 60Hz primary wave. This is an example of this; you’re on the lake again and you’re watching the waves hit the beach, and then a motorboat goes by. Now, the motorboat creates its own set of waves that are now crossing and hitting the beach. Another motorboat comes by and he’s pulling a water-skier. The boat has a big deep wave and the water-skier has a smaller wave but it’s still there. Now, you’re not getting one clean wave hitting the beach. You’re getting four, five, six different waves hitting the beach. That’s one way that I like to explain what happens with dirty electricity. But now, we’re going to add the fields. We’re going to add the electric fields caused by the voltage. We’re going to add the magnetic fields caused by the amperage, those two things we talked about, and interference. HAM radio guys love our products because they’re trying to catch a wave that’s coming from halfway across the world. What happens is interference. That’s when waves from one wire or one signal can cross and interfere with the waves or signal on another wire. Getting back to why the government doesn’t regulate it, you know what? For the most part, they are a byproduct of the electrical and technical world that we live in. They’re hard to avoid in occurrence. They’re sure easy to stop if you’re looking for them. They’re sure easy to filter once you’re aware and cognizant. They really come from three primary places. Do you mind if I go there?
Lloyd: Yeah, let’s go there.
BD: So they really come from three primary places. First of all, I live in Western Montana. Most of our power is hydro. And the dam is about 100 miles from my house. That very clean hydropower has to now travel 100 miles to get to me. How many car washes and beauty schools does it go by, or vacuums and blow dryers are going to affect it before it gets here? So they’re going to do their best to clean it before it gets to me. But just by sheer use of electricity, it’s gonna be degraded, extra waves are going to be added. Now, it reaches my home and now I mess it up because I have lighting. I would love to talk about CFL and LED lighting, technically, and how they work, at some point. But I want to vacuum. I want to watch TV. I want to do some things. I want to use my juicer for a healthy drink. So I’m going to further degrade the quality of this electricity. Our world has changed dramatically. Dirty electricity, it’s not like you could argue if it’s real. It’s real beyond contestation. It’s real, it’s measurable. There’s lots of names; harmonic distortion, electromagnetic interference, electromagnetic fields, and frequencies, and waves. It’s real beyond contestation. We can’t argue if it’s harmful. It’s harmful beyond contestation. Now, in the United States, I can’t say that it’s harmful to you without potentially looking at some trouble with the FDA because in the United States, the FDA is very particular about what you say is good for you or bad for you. But it’s been well-documented on cows, Kerrygold, Marigold, I mean, these giants, these billion-dollar industries of cheese and butter and sour cream and ice-cream and all these things have well-documented that the quality, the taste, the production, the volume of the milk is degraded by dirty electricity. Canada, it’s cold, it’s a frozen tundra. Man, they want cantaloupes and strawberries. How do they get them? Oftentimes without importing, greenhouses. I’ve seen hundreds of well-documented studies by greenhouse growers where you can literally see the strawberry plant growing towards the light or water or nourishment, growing away from the dirty electricity, away from the power lines. The size, quality, the taste of these succulent fruits and vegetables is definitively affected by dirty electricity. I’m not a strawberry, I’m not a cow, but I’m biological. I’m cellular. I operate quite similarly. It’s not whether or not it’s real. It is. It’s not whether or not it’s harmful. It is, beyond contestation. It’s really how much and where and how. So it’s like if you don’t smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, that’s wise. Why? Because it’s harmful. If you smoke one cigarette in college 20 years ago, I think you’re going to be okay. Right? Would you eat fast food every day of your life? No, you’ll get bloat. But if you eat one fry occasionally, you’re going to be okay. So we know those things are harmful. It’s well-documented. Nobody argues it. But it’s really about how much. So it’s real, measurable, and harmful. But now, how much? Dirty electricity comes from three places. Number one, it comes from the utility. Number two, now I am creating it in my own home and some drastic things have happened. That’s where I’m going with this. I’m in my late 40s. When I grew up as a youth, there was no cell phone, laptop, tablet. My first Macintosh was 512k Mac. It was one of the first electronics. Then at some point, we got the fax machine. Something happened. What happened is that little black box that’s in the cord, we began to get these cords to the printer, the fax, the computer, the little black box in the cord, and you have to have that cord to use it. That cord either changes frequency, it changes to direct current with diodes, it changes voltage, it begins to distort this clean electricity. Then we added all these DC devices. If it has a battery, it’s direct current. Your phone, your laptop, your tablet, your pad, they work on direct current. We live in an alternating current world. Direct current is great, alternating current is great. They don’t play well together because they fundamentally operate differently. So it wasn’t like all of a sudden, I had a printer. Everybody had two. It wasn’t like I had a fax machine. Everybody got a fax machine. I got a cellular phone, everyone got a cellular phone. Now, everyone in every family has a cellular phone, and they have a tablet. So this huge change came. Getting back to compact fluorescent lights, we each had 30 things in our home that cleaned our electricity. Now, we each have 30 things in our home that drastically dirty electricity. The thought process behind this was lowering the watts, lowering the power. But it, foreseen or unforeseen, accidentally or purposely, had a huge side effect of drastically increasing the amount of dirty electricity in every American’s home, beyond contestation. So we are no longer smoking one cigarette in college, Lloyd. We’re now smoking one pack a day. We didn’t mean to but that’s what happened. Number one comes from the utility. Number two, I’m making it inadvertently in my home. Number three, it comes wirelessly. When I was a kid, my cars had antennas. Cars had antennas. You could untwist it and whack your pal on the tush with it. When you’re in town, you got FM radio. When you got out of town, you got AM radio. That antenna is how you got it, right? Back then, you got four signals, Lloyd. There was AM, FM for radio, and then there was UHF and VHF for televisions. Those were the four main signals. I light my phone up right now, I’m going to see my printer, my neighbor’s, my WiFi, my neighbor’s WiFi, their TV dish network, their cell, my cell network, you can’t believe how many there are. So number one, there are millions of signals out there. Number two, our antennas on our car were two, two and a half feet of aluminum. Your home is high-quality copper wiring. A mile of it. So you’re living now in a super antenna. So where do waves land? They land on antennas. What’s a mile of copper wiring? It’s a super antenna. So we’ve got it coming from the utility whether want to or not, nefarious or not. I’m making it in my home, purposely or unpurposely, and I’m living in a super antenna. So we just discussed three things. Is it real? Beyond contestation. Is it harmful? Beyond contestation. Do I have it? Beyond contestation.
Lloyd: Yes, everybody’s got it. But I like the three primary places and we kind of forget that last one, that wireless is contributing to this pollution which is on the wiring. One thing you said there is that incandescence, clean electricity. Can you just explain how that works? Do you know how that works?
BD: Of course I do. Absolutely. So dirty electricity, again, is defined by some of these parameters. I’m gonna get a little technical just for a minute because it’s fun for me and if it’s not for our listeners, I apologize. It’s my wiring. Electricity has some main attributes. We’re going to cover them again; voltage, amperage, and wattage, affected by power factor, how much of that power is usable, real or apparent, total harmonic distortion, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic interference, primary frequency, the waves hitting the beach, and Ohm’s Law of Resistance. So what Ohm said, working off Faraday, is that as I push current down a conductor, as I use voltage (pressure) to push the current (water) down the electrical line, some will be lost along the way as heat. When you’re pushing a car, you’re working against the resistance of the tire on the road. Right? So as you push electricity down a wire, you lose some resistance along the way. That resistance turns into heat. So we have two main types of electrical loads, conductive and resistive. Now, a resistive load, what does it do? It resists. It pushes back. It doesn’t want the electricity so it pushes back. Now, because of the resistance in Ohm’s Law, if you push back and resist, you get heat. What’s a burner on your stove? It’s a big resistor. So your stove, in America, we use 120 and 240V wiring, and 230, 240 in the UK. But in the US, it’s one of those rare breakers in our breaker panel that has two legs and it’s 240. Why? That higher voltage pushes harder as it hits the burner on the stove, because of Ohm’s Law, creates resistance and heat. That resistance and heat cleans electricity. Cleans it wonderfully so because it takes those abnormalities now, just turns them into heat. On a hot day, you might not want the heat but on a chilly day, it’s delightful. If you’d like to boil some spaghetti noodles or cook a turkey, it’s wonderful. So one of the easiest ways to clean electricity is simply to convert those forms of electricity that we don’t like into heat. Now, the incandescent light bulb works on resistance. We have a little guy on the left, the anode, and then we have a little tungsten filament, and then we have the guy [inaudible 35:53] the cathode. We have the anode and the cathode, and then we have the filament, the tungsten filament in the middle. When a light bulb burns out, what really happens is that the tungsten filament in the middle broke. When he’s operating, what he’s doing is he’s resisting. So he’s creating heat. So that resistance and that heat is very effective at cleaning electricity. So a true incandescent light bulb - and they’ve really tried to take those away from us for some reason - that resistance and that heat absolutely cleans dirty electricity by turning those unwanted byproducts of dirty electricity into a byproduct of heat and light. So what a simple, fundamental, useful way to clean electricity. Turning on your iron, do you know when you’re ironing your trousers, the dirty electricity in your home is lower? It’s because you’ve added a resistor.
Lloyd: So turning on your oven, can we say the same?
BD: Absolutely. Definitively.
Lloyd: So these electrical items that are creating heat, by and large, is it all cases?
BD: All cases. When your hot water - not if it works on natural gas or propane, etc., we’re talking electrical - when it’s on, it’s creating heat and it is cleaning the electricity. So that is a resistive load. So anything really - for the most part - that’s a resistive load, can aid in reducing dirty electricity. Now, the other type of load is inductive. So if one pushes right, or resists, what does the other one do? It pulls. It induces. It’s inductive. It’s like sucking on a straw, right? So two types of load; resistive that pushes back, and inductive that pulls. So your air-conditioner, your motor, your refrigerator, your freezer, your dishwasher, your Harvey grinder, these have a motor, they induce and pull. So when they pull, they have a coil or a motor. So electromagnetic fields, again, being real and measurable, one of the favorite demonstrations that I use, each of our techs have two magnets on their desk, very strong magnets. When you put them pole to pole, they repel. They push apart. If it’s a very good magnet, it’s very hard to connect them. Now, you can’t see it but it’s real. And then, one of them will twist in your hand and go to the opposite pole and they snap together. They almost clip your finger. So even though you can’t see that, you don’t deny once you touch it that it’s real. So as a child, I loved trains. I just love these huge monstrous things that would have 100 cars, 120 cars sometimes in Montana, with coal. We have a lot of coal in Montana so we see these trains that have 100, 120 cars full of coal. The car might weigh 10 tons, 20 tons, just one car, and there’s 100 of them. How does it get moving? What a lot of people don’t realize is that trains are electric. There are electric DC motors and the diesel motors in the train’s engines, all those are making electricity. They’re not driving the wheels. You have a coil which is a copper wire wound many times, and then you have magnets, several inches potentially, an inch or so away. When the conductor hits the gas, hits the throttle, more voltage is applied to that coil, and creates that electromagnetic field and that magnet pack starts to spin. Nothing is touching. All of a sudden, from a dead stop, 100 cars at 10 or 20 tons each begin to inch and move with no touching parts. It’s moved by a field. It’s extraordinary. It’s almost unfathomable that it’s true. That’s how it works. So that field affects the rest of the electricity. So that same thing is happening in your coffee grinder, on a much smaller scale. The same thing is happening in your refrigerator freezer. That electromagnetic field distorts the waveforms for electricity. It has an effect on it. So every time those things turn on, two things happen. Number one, they induct. They pull. They suck. So there’s an inrush of current that creates fields. Number two, they excite the coil, they create this electromagnetic field which has an effect on electricity and all things biological. So one type of load, resistive, creates heat and cleans electricity. The other one is inductive, it pulls and it distorts electricity, and it causes dirty electricity.
Lloyd: Unfortunately, we’ve got more and more of these items, these electrical appliances in our homes that are distorting. That’s kind of progress and the reasoning for this is they’re energy-efficient. So that is just the way of the world. But then I’m wondering in terms of the grid, is there something there also, in the US, which has changed, which has made this dirty electricity an even bigger problem?
BD: Okay, great question. So shifts happen in the world. As an American, again, in the ‘90s, there was a Blockbuster Video on every corner. And a rite of passage on weekends was going and renting a VHS or DVD and watching it on the telly. It was just what we did on the weekends. And then, Netflix said, “Hey, we’ve got another system. We got a digital delivery system,” and overnight, Blockbusters were gone. They went from being on every major corner, to gone. Now, we stream things. So some of those things have happened to the grid. As we talked about, we got rid of incandescent light bulbs that clean. We have CFLs for a short time. Now, we have LED, light-emitting diode. A diode is one way, it’s direct current. So they’re strobing. A lot of people don’t know that your LED is strobing 120 times every second. That’s just how they work. Your laptop, your phone, your tablet, they’re all DC. Who could have foreseen it that everybody now has these 20 DC devices in their home that are distorting the waveforms, and now a couple of things happen. Number one, cryptocurrency. So there’s another type of loadout there that we haven’t discussed yet and that’s the switched-mode power supply. That’s something that’s converting the AC and the DC, or changing the voltage or changing the frequency like a VFD, variable-frequency drive. Computers, switched-mode power supply. As we talked about, every home has one or three computers now. What about crypto mining? Missoula, Montana is I believe the second or third-largest cryptocurrency mining facility in the world, the biggest in the US at last report. We’re talking about 40MW of switched-mode power supplies. How could the grid have foreseen that? Now, the legalization of marijuana. I think some of the health benefits of marijuana are now quite clear. They’re growing a lot of these indoors. What’s that take? It takes the lighting which distorts the waveforms, and some other things. The proliferation of solar power, a mega DC device right on the home. So again, I don’t lay the blame at the government’s feet. It’s not who I am. I don’t lay the blame on the utility’s feet. Do they share some complicity? It doesn’t really matter because crypto mining is here and it’s changed our world. Computers are here and they changed our world. Indoor growers, marijuana specifically because it’s just so new and hip and there are so many of them, have changed our world. So can the utilities keep up at the speed of technology? Not like they can.
Lloyd: It’s really more about the devices than the grid itself. It’s just the grid wasn’t designed for what we’re using it for today. Technology has gone in this way for a whole load of reasons. It seems mainly about saving energy. That was the initial reason. And the grid wasn’t designed for these kinds of switched-mode power supplies and this pollution that it now has. Hence, why we need to deal with it. My question is, I know your flagship product is to filter dirty electricity, which is the Satic Shield. Perhaps you pronounce it differently than me.
BD: We say Satic, that’s how we say it.
BD: No worries, mate.
Lloyd: So my question is what do you recommend to measure dirty electricity? That’s what I’m always recommending to people, is to actually get measurements when dealing with all these kinds of EMFs. Dirty electricity is one kind. We talked about the four principle kinds here today. So we’re always wanting to measure those four principal kinds; the radio frequency, the electric fields, the magnetic fields, and this dirty electricity. So that’s my question, what do you recommend to measure that?
BD: I love that you just tossed me the ball. I have really tried to not be a sales pitch because we get hit with it so much. We want to know facts, we want to know the truth. So Satic has designed a brand-new dirty electricity meter. We just felt it was time for something new to be available to people because when you go on the internet and you hear all this reality about the fact that dirty electricity is real and it’s indeed harmful and that you’re probably living in a lot of that, in a reaction of fear maybe, we want to buy something to stop it. I like to tell customers, don’t go right to, “I’m going to buy something and fix it.” Let’s identify it first. Let’s see how much you got. Let’s see where it’s coming from. I’ll tell you the truth, in most cases, you can, if you’re able to measure and identify, you can drastically reduce the amount of electropollution in your home with some simple steps. So you got to start there. But it’s really hard to start there if you can’t measure it. So Satic has a new EMI meter. We have it at www.saticshield.com. This is not just a meter. It’s a comprehensive testing kit so that you can see your dirty electricity and the several components to it. Number one is the outlet and wiring tester. A lot of dirty electricity just comes from buggy wiring. If you’re neutral and ground are slopped on your outlet or they’re bonded, you’re going to have dirty electricity. That’s a $12 fix, Lloyd. But if you plug in your device and it works, you don’t think a thing of it. So the first part of the kit is an outlet tester that has all the variations of the reverse bond, reverse neutral, ground and neutral voltage and all those things. So the first thing you test is the outlets. And I’d be darned in America if you’ve got 30 outlets if 2 aren’t buggy. Great, we just fixed it for free! And now, we’re living in less and our devices are going to last longer.
Lloyd: Is this on your website?
Lloyd: I can’t see it.
BD: So on Satic Shield, you go to Shop, go to Testing, and you’ll see the kit. The kits come with guides, some of it I stole right out of my friend’s EMF Practical Guide. I took it from Lloyd because it’s practical, really. It’s usable. So I’ve quoted you in there a couple of times, saying “These are what the experts are telling you to do. This is where you go. This is where you find it. But you got to do some research.” So we give you a clipboard, we give you a pen and you test all of our outlets. We want you to test every single outlet first with the outlet tester to make sure it’s wired right. Then, test with the dirty electricity meter to see the amount of dirty electricity you have. Then, filter it and see the change. Is the change big or little? Is the change not there? Why? We want you to test all of your outlets and we want you to do them three times; morning, midday, and evening because they’re going to be different every time. If your LEDs are a major cause in the morning, you don’t need your lights on. You got your windows open. It’s beautiful. Natural light’s better. But at night, when the windows are shut now and it’s dark outside, our lights are on. During midday, our neighbor’s solar is cranking at 8K, and that affects you. So we really want to comprehensively help you identify where it is, where it’s coming from and is it something that we can fix ourselves. Only buy filters if it’s something we can’t fix ourselves, silly. If you can fix it yourself, then that’s what you got to equip yourself to do. If you’re smoking two packs a day, there are two things you can do. Number one, you can start smoking filtered cigarettes, or you can quit smoking. Come on, right? If you can, you want to quit smoking. You want to stop the things that are causing it. So if we can stop the things that are causing it, then you don’t need to buy any of my stuff.
Lloyd: And honestly, the kit is great. I’ve not seen that before, so that’s a great little package, EMI meter, Satic Pulsed LED - I’m not sure what’s that for.
BD: Okay, great. So we have three main product lines. First of all is our filters and our filters you either plug in an outlet or they’re wired in your panel. We make products for all of the world, in all the varying voltages; single-phase, three-phase, US, UK, you can plug them in or wire them at the panel. That’s number one. Number two, our LEDs do not add EMF or EMI. I just told everybody to quit smoking if you can. But then, you can’t walk around the dark. They’ve made incandescent lights so hard to get. If you can get an incandescent light that’s good over Satic’s, you buy it right now. But if you’re having a hard time finding incandescent lights that would last, then the only next choice is the Satic light because we’ve built our technology into the light so that they’re not adding EMF, EMI, or dirty electricity. So we put one of those in the kit, and we say, grab one of your LEDs to start identifying the culprits in your house.
Lloyd: So that’s the bit I don’t get. How do we do that?
BD: So on the EMI meter
Lloyd: This is a kit to get people started and you’re including the light bulb in there. So where are we using the light bulb in terms of getting started and measuring?
BD: So in the kit, you’re going to get an outlet tester, a dirty electricity tester, a filter, and you’re going to get one of our light bulbs for free with a light bulb tester, because then, what we want you to do is test some of your lights, some of your devices. Again, buying a filter, that’s the last step. If you can identify things in your house that are making it, turn that dang thing off and you don’t need to buy anything.
Lloyd: So the light bulb tester, that does what? What does it test?
BD: That allows you to test, for the most part, the lights in your home. So that’s one of our lights, so that you can see what a good number should be, what a good LED or incandescent should be. Here’s what you should be seeing; you take that and screw off the bottom, you put any light bulb around your house and plug it in the base -
Lloyd: Plug it into a socket?
BD: Yes. Plug it into a socket so that now, you can see if the light bulbs you got from Costco or Walmart is good or bad.
Lloyd: So you can see it with the EMI meter then, is that what you’re saying?
Lloyd: Okay, very good. That’s a great idea. I love is. So my question is - I want to speed along a little bit because there’s a couple of things I want to cover here - why your filters are not, for instance, the Stetzer filter, or the Greenwave? Why are your filters not these other filters? What makes them different?
BD: So when we set out on this journey, capacitors existed. They come in multiple types, multiple compounds. They have multiple uses. NASA and Texas Instruments worked together on the shuttle program to design specific capacitor types that don’t fail. They self-heal. There are components that regulate amperage. There are components that regulate voltage. There are components that regulate electromagnetic fields. There are components that regulate EMI and interference. These things have existed for years. So in America, I’m going to go to Best Buy or the Stereo Shop, and I see a Yamaha stereo. Love the Yamaha brand. I’m a motorcycle racer. I ride Yamahas, great receiver. It’s $600. But now I’m in the mall and I see the Bang & Olufsen store, its receiver, $6,000. Good gravy! What can possibly be the difference between a $600 receiver and a $6,000 receiver? The answer’s very small and simple, when you’re listening to the Yamaha receiver - and I’m not bashing on them, I love them - when the fridge comes on, I might hear a tick or a pop in the speakers. With the $6,000 Bang & Olufsen, my mom can vacuum all she wants, baby. It’s not going to affect the sound of my audio because they add extra components that are expensive, to clean and filter these things. I’ve known Dave Stetzer 12 years. We’ve had this discussion millions of times. I’ve actually offered to re-engineer Dave’s product for free. I love what Dave has done. Men like me stand on the shoulders of guys like Dave. It’s true because they started something, they began a movement, they created awareness, they brought a product to market and they created change. Problem is that product hasn’t changed in 15 years. What product can go 15 years? We’re already on gen-2 at Satic in our 10 and we’re ready to launch gen-3. There are other components that identify other attributes of dirty electricity. Gene is a wonderful man at Greenwave. He’s a lovely and delightful man. I love him, he’s a personal friend. His product is identical to Dave’s. So the Stetzer and the Greenwave are a large x2 capacitor. It’s a great product. Come on, it was invented by NASA and Texas Instruments in the ‘70s. But it does one thing. It does one thing, it’s very analog, it’s very simple. In the Satic unit, there are three different types of filters. There are eight of them, and they look for three different things. So we’re looking for power factor, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic interference, distortion, we also want to regulate that voltage. Those other products are effective for what they do. They’re just very simple. They have not been re-engineered in decades, and what Satic did is we didn’t just try to do it ourselves. I called Texas Instruments myself. I got a tech in Austin, we spent three hours a week helping design my product. I talked to Panasonic. I flew to Asia. I talked to Mouser. I talked to Monster Cable. I talked to Bang & Olufsen. I traveled. I met the leading engineers at Schneider, at Square D. I met the leading engineers in the space. I hired the best engineers I could find, guys that worked on Tesla, guys that wrote the Energy Program for Montana. I found the best guys, and then what we did was sourced the very finest components that helped us regulate that long list, that list of eight things. And I get them to play nice together, because you’re going to put them on a circuit board, they don’t necessarily want to interact nicely. You got to get them to play nice. And then you got to get them safety-tested, Underwriters Laboratories, CE, FCC, and then you’ve got to manufacture it to a Six Sigma Lean Standard which my company is proficient at, and we want to do it in the US. Those products are also made in Asia. Those products are great, and those men are giants and I love them. I’m here to support them. Ours is just different in that we have the same stuff that theirs has, in a different, superior way, and two other component sets that theirs simply doesn’t have. So you need a lot more of their products as well. So you might need 10 or 20 of their products. You need one wiring of ours or four of our plug-in units. So yes, theirs is a little bit more expensive -
Lloyd: Does your product do a better job?
BD: A substantially better job.
Lloyd: Okay. So we’re running out of time and I want to get some free, low-cost solutions, although we have covered that a little bit. But just to finish off on this, we’ve bought your test kit, we’ve established that there is dirty electricity, the test kit includes our Pure Power Plugin, which is the filter. Is that enough or do we know? How do we know?
BD: Great question. So with Satic, you need two of our filters. Free solutions, let’s talk about that. It comes from three places. Number one, you’re not going to change the grid and number two, you can’t turn off your neighbor’s WiFi. Those things are not on the table for BD Erickson or Lloyd Burrell. So what can I do? Number one, I need to check my wiring because oftentimes, an outlet that was just accidentally mis-wired is the root of my cause and when I change it, I fix it. So we include that in the kit. That’s number one. Number two, I’m making it my own house. I’m making it with my own stuff. So you got to know which of your things is making it so you can turn it off, throw it away, or just use it sparingly. So if you can check and correct the wiring, if you can identify all of the culprits, and then replace or use them sparingly, by golly, you’ve done it. Most of what you can do, it costs you nothing and you’re happy to do it. Now, I can’t fix the grid and I can’t turn off my neighbor’s WiFi. That’s when unfortunately you’re going to have to buy some filters or some shield because those are things that are out of your control as far as the grid and the neighbor go. But they are under your control in being able to filter them. And our filters are the most effective of anything we tested because we tried to identify every aspect and fix them all in one unit.
Lloyd: So you have these plugin ones, which you just plug in on a socket. And then you’ve got these Power Perfect versions which you need an electrician to install. When do we install the Power Perfect and when do we use the Plug-ins?
BD: That is a great question and it’s totally up to the customer’s choice. The wiring solution is a very robust surge protector for the whole home. It will regulate your power so it reduces your power bill, and it cleans the power for your whole home. It does that being wired into the panel.
Lloyd: Which product is this?
BD: That’s the Wire-In. Power Perfect is our trademark, we own that. Most customers go for the Super Duty because the standard one is better for the person that has low-EMF levels. If somebody has higher dirty electricity levels, then they want the Super Duty. It wires at the panels. The Plug-In units have the same technology. It’s a smaller version. They’re actually fine because they can be sprinkled around the house where you might have a hot spot. What we try to do is tell people to identify hot spots because usually in a hot spot, it’s either the outlet that’s wired wrong. We have devices in that room that are causing a lot of distortion. Or maybe the neighbor’s smart meter is pointing right at our house, or the WiFi or the cell tower is pointing right at our house in that area. So our wiring, our antenna picks it up. That’s why our meter is very important. Our meter is not the same as the Greenwave or the Stetzer, it’s different in several fundamental waves. Number one, it measures a broader frequency. The bandwidth of the spectrum is broader. Number two, it doesn’t tap out at 1999. Our meter goes to 2999 because unfortunately in the US, so many homes have such dirty electricity that the other meters just can’t read it. Number three, what’s really important and makes it really unique and special is that it’s weighted to the bandwidth that’s bad for the biological. Let’s face it, AM radio is not bad for the biological. You don’t want to build your house under the AM tower, but it’s a different wave. The AM wave, from the top of the wave to the bottom, it blocks. It’s huge. FM wave is maybe two meters. These new waves, millimeter waves, they’re just that. They’re millimeters. So am I really trying to read everything that’s out there or am I trying to read what’s bad for me? I’m trying to read what’s bad for my kid. That’s what I want. So with our meter, you get an overall larger sample, but it’s weighted to the sample that’s really detrimental to you. And not to sell more meters, but to show you what’s harmful to you.
Lloyd: That’s smart. That’s similar to the Trifield, it’s the same principle. The Trifield meter’s been doing that for a while. It’s a smart idea. Just very, very, very quickly, if you could share a few inexpensive/low-cost solutions to share with people because we’ve promised that.
BD: Yes, absolutely. The first thing that people need to do is they need to get a three-dollar outlet test. It’s not free but they’re a couple of bucks, and you need to check your outlets. That’s number one. Number two, my good friend Lloyd Burrell and his Practical Guide lists a lot of things that here at Satic, we call them culprits, that we know to create dirty electricity. Number two, you need to be a cognizant user of these technologies. I’m not saying never use your phone. I’m saying don’t leave it on by your head. I’m not saying never use a device. Turn your WiFi off. Manage some of these things because we know for a fact that wiring and culprits are the two main causes. Number three, be cognizant of what kind of electricity meter that you have. On our sites, you can see some shielding, for literally putting an aluminum foil and a grounded wire over your breaker panel, over the inside of your home where your electricity meter is. It can reduce the dirty electricity and the electric fields drastically, by 90% plus. Going to incandescent light bulbs or changing your light bulbs, or being sparing with them. And we all know this one; get rid of your dimmer. Or just be a really cognizant user. What happens in a lot of homes is that rather than switching the light bulb off, they put the dimmer all the way down. So the light’s off but it’s still working. It’s still buzzing. So you would have 2000 to 3000 EMI levels in their home because of that stupid dimmer. So some people want to keep their dimmer. So just be very cognizant that when it’s off, it’s off. It’s in the off-position. You may have to switch that outlet to make sure that it completely turns off because some don’t. If it doesn’t turn completely off, I don’t care how many filters you buy, don’t throw your money away, you’re still going to have that. Make sure you get a switch that’s on/off and use the dimmer very sparingly. If sometimes it’s for an hour you that you want some mood lighting, I go back to how it’s very different from smoking two packs of cigarettes a day to having one cigarette in college, or eating fast food every day or occasionally having a fry. I don’t think that we have to go over the top. We have to be cognizant. We got to be smart. We have to be aware. And if you’re aware in the modern world, placement of beds and sitting areas - the waves affect you. We talked about frequency. At the lake, it’s pretty frequent. But in Hawaii, it’s very slow. Pretend that I’m punching your arm. Now, a wave has two fundamental principles. One is am punching you really hard like a rascal, or am I just tapping you? That’s the intensity of the wave. Second, how fast am I punching you? Am I punching you big and slow, or slow and fast? Let’s pretend that I’m punching you very gently but very fast. If I do that in the same spot on your arm for a minute, you’re going to get a bruise and you’re not going to like it anymore. Let’s pretend now I’m moving it up and down your arm, that’s a massage. I’m now charging you $45 an hour. The wave is the same thing. When these waves come at us, when I’m in the motion, the wave is not hitting me in the same spot. So it’s a wave massage. I’m not saying you want it, but it’s very different. Now I stop and I come to rest. I’m at my seat, my work station. Or I’m sitting in my favorite chair watching telly, or I’m lying in my bed, now I’m really vulnerable because that wave is hitting me in the same spot over and over. AM waves, it’s two blocks long. It’s very rarely that you’re getting punched. These millimeter waves, you’re getting hit so many times. Now, I’m a body at rest. I’m getting hit at the same spot. You’re going to receive cellular damage. That’s when the negative effects are happening on the biological. So be very cognizant about rest and play and sleep areas, where your body is not going to be at motion, where your body is going to be resting because that is when you’re going to be more susceptible.
Lloyd: BD, we’re out of time. The information you’ve shared here is wonderful. You’re so passionate about this and you explain it really well. Lots of great analogies so that people can understand it. The products just look pretty amazing, I have to say. Some very wonderful innovative products. And obviously, this is evolving and it’s nice to see you’re evolving this. Thank you so much for speaking here today and thanks for doing the great work and taking this on and for keeping your house there, which is a power line, and doing the right thing for whoever’s living in it.
BD: There’s one more thing.
Lloyd: Very, very quickly. We’re really out of time.
BD: Thank you so much. I love your book. If anybody goes to Satic Shield, put in the customer code LB for Lloyd Burrell. If they put in the code, they’re going to get a drastic discount because they took time to listen to your show.
Lloyd: Oh, that’s fantastic. That’s very generous of you. Thank you so much for sharing that and great, great work. So the website, just to remind people, www.saticshield.com. So yes, thank you listener for listening today, and also, thanks for attending today. If you’re looking for solutions to do with EMFs and their effect on your health, this interview and all my previous interviews are available in the EMF Experts Solutions Club with full transcripts. Information is on my website. In the next episode, I’ll be interviewing another expert so watch your inbox for details. My name is Lloyd Burrell from www.electricsense.com. Thanks so much, have a great day. Bye-bye.