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Making Solar Safe Again 

CEO B.D. Erickson II sits down with "The EMF Guy" Nick Pineault to discuss the rising popularity of solar energy and how it's one of the largest culprits of dirty electricity and how SATIC's filters are the ultimate solution. 
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Nick Pineault "The EMF Guy" stepped onto the scene in 2017 with his #1 bestselling book 'The Non-Tinfoil Guide To EMFs'. He has become one of the most prominent advocates for safe technologies. He is the host of the chart-topping podcast 'Smarter Tech' which inspire people to use technology in a way that is safe, mindful and health-promoting. He has also launched the Electrosmog Rx online professional-level EMF course in collaboration with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, with the goal of educating health professionals worldwide on how to address EMF-related symptoms and minimize their patients' EMF exposure. 

Nick Pineault "The EMF Guy" welcomed back B.D. Erickson II on Smarter Tech Season 2, Episode 55: "Making Solar Safe Again w/ B.D. Erickson II (Part 2)". Over the course of the episode, B.D. discusses the rising popularity in solar energy. However, he informs how solar inverters are actually one of the largest culprits creating dirty electricity and how that can negatively effect not only electronics, but the biological and natural world as well.


Nick Pineault: “Hello and welcome to another episode of Smarter Tech! I am back with B.D. Erickson. B.D., thank you so much for being here today!”


B.D. Erickson II: “Thanks for having me back!”


Nick: “You know, part one of this interview, I think its essential for everyone to listen to the first part because we will not get into all the basics of dirty electricity. We did a very thorough discussion on that ‘What is Dirty Electricity’, possible impacts on human beings and all the biology we did talk about. Dairy cows, for example, and what science has been done on farm animals, and then also how dirty electricity can increase our electricity bill and the justification for filtering out dirty electricity is not a hot one but also a practical one for financial reasons. So there’s a lot of reasons why you would want to do that, however, at the end, you kind of hinted towards something very interesting which is happening in the industry with solar panels, and where I come from, from an EMF standpoint is, I keep hearing from building biologists, these are the professionals, engineering background, they come to a house with professional level meters, they go around and take readings, and one of the EMF types that they test for is dirty electricity. What they tell me is, ‘you know Nick, if there is a solar panel insulation in a home, it becomes very problematic on a dirty electricity standpoint.’ So what are you seeing with solar panels and how can we mitigate it? I want our conversation to focus on this specifically. So, let’s just start, do solar panels really create a lot of dirty electricity? What’s your opinion on this?”






















known that each inverter has ratings on it, it will have harmonics, distortion, etc. max numbers, and most of them will say, you know, less than 3% THD. Okay, so, one piece of the puzzle is the solar inverter itself, and simply the way it has to function to make usable electricity from the panels for your home. The other part of the equation, especially here in the US now, is a net meter. Well, that’s a smart meter! What does that mean? Well, that means that it can record the electricity that the panels make, so the first of your bill is down, right? And then in the US, what we usually try to do is bank some watts. What does that mean? That means that in July and August, we have these long sunny days where we’re actually over-producing. So we’re spinning the meter backwards, if you will, we’re storing our watts so that in December and January, so when it’s maybe shorter days of course and maybe the panels have snow depending where you live, you can get some of your watts back. Okay, so we talked about what dirty electricity is and the fact that it’s real, so here, we’re really talking about where does it come from? And there are 4, I would say, main culprits, if you will Nick, in major causes of dirty electricity, and these four, in any order you want to give them are: Smart Meters, Solar Inverters, Lighting especially LED and fluorescent lighting, and then our DC tech devices because, again, anything DC operated differently than AC. So a LED, for example, light-emitting diode, diode is a one way door, if you will, so they strobe, they clip. So when I go solar, holy moly Nick I just added two of the four biggest culprits right on my house! So if you didn’t have a smart meter before, now you do to make them work and the solar inverter. So, building biologists are correct! Here’s what often times we find, you go into a house that does not have solar, but it has LED lighting and everyone has a couple of tech devices these days it seems like, so they’re reading on one of the common EMI meters, so there’s three brands: Greenwave, Stetzer and SATIC, we’re the three manufacturers of the main meters in this industry. You’ll probably get a reading of 5 or 600 when you’re really looking for under 50. So it’s already 10 times. But with solar, Nick, most of those meters can’t even read it. They just say ‘Error’…”


Nick: “Wow!”


B.D.: “So the Greenwave and the Stetzer go to 1999, the SATIC meter we actually made ours go to 2999 because so many homes we were testing were maxing out often times it will even max out our meter! So, Nick, we don’t even know what the real number is, if you can’t read it. So, what are we saying then, if you go solar unfortunately, and I’m the biggest solar dealer in Western Montana, I grew up in a solar panel manufacturing household, I love it, I’m not against it, I’m not negative on it, I just want our listeners to know, I love it! I think it’s a wave of the future, I think we need renewable energy, I love the technology, it’s just a simple unfortunate byproduct that we get these huge culprits in a solar inverter and in the net meter to the point where you probably have 100x the dirty electricity. I’m talking 50 to 100 times as much simply because of the operation of these devices.”


Nick: “That’s unfortunate that it produces so much of this stuff and so, I’ve heard also from building biologists, one of them being Oram Miller to give him the credit that he operates from California, he talks about certain brands of inverters are cleaner than others, he mentioned, I think, Sunny Boy, which might be German I think, can you mention brands that maybe are a little bit cleaner? And if they’re cleaner, does that mean that they have some sort of internal filtering happening where it doesn’t dump back these harmonics on the line?”


B.D.: “So that’s a great question, and I love Oram Miller as a human being. He is a leader in our industry, he really is, and so, even though I consider myself and my team kind of this next generation of EMF conscious, clean electricity thinkers, we stand on the shoulders of men like David Stetzer and Oram Miller and these guys, I’ve often said that I think, you know, that Stetzer’s products are ready for an upgrade, but I humbly acknowledge that I stand on the shoulders of men like this, so I want to acknowledge Oram too. Yes, he’s correct! So a couple things, so whenever you buy a brand of anything, there’s quality, right? Maybe from an inexpensive car to an Audi or some great Porsche, some great German car, where you know just the engineering was so thoughtful, that the mechanics are superior, it will last longer, it will perform better, inverters are the same way, right? So, maybe you can have something that was made in China or Asia, specifically to be inexpensive, nothing wrong with that, you’ve got to have that part of the market too, versus something made in Germany or Austria or something where they are a little bit expensive but the engineering is simply superior because it was so thoughtfully made. Yeah, the SMA’s and the Sunny Boy’s usually have less THD, but there are also a lot of models, so, you know, depending on the size of your solar system, are you single phase or three phase?, you know, what’s your budget? etc., even though there are some brands that are superior, it doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s a model made by that brand, and since by the natural functionality of solar, I would suggest, and not to sell my stuff, that’s certainly not my intent, I think you need a filter and it’s the conclusion of all of our scientists and staff here, that you need a filter no matter what brand you go. So, you know, it is SMA and some of these have a superior functionality oftentimes, so the number is lower but, Nick, if you started at 100 times the X even if it is lower, you really want to consider a filter from one of the major filtering manufacturing brands in our humble opinion.”
















too much, but it was less about them caring about the biological I think, maybe they’re still not sure about that, but they get so many questions, they get so many inquiries. So many people when they’re using their products are asking about EMF, dirty electricity, EMF radiation, that they wanted to start going down that road of investigating it, so that’s incredible. So that’s on a solar inverter manufacturing side. On the other side of it, a lot of the solar companies that do a lot of big installs. So there’s a residential solar company in the US called Titan, at last report I believe they installed 4,000 residential systems in one month, another biggie is Legacy, they’re installing about 2,000 a month, Erus is about 1,000 a month, these have all reached out to us about partnering, packaging, including with. I’m going to give Erus props, not because they use my product, I mean obviously I care about that, but they do nearly 1,000 solar residential installs a month and they will not install solar without a Power Perfect. The CEO’s wife actually, when I reached out to their company, I was trying to get ahold of them, I spoke to this lovely female human on the phone, she was just delightful to speak to and I started talking to her about dirty electricity and she’s a mother, and so it was landing on her ears and on her heart what we were talking about, so I sent her a plug-in unit and a meter as a gift for her workspace and she said that the owner of the business called back, that happened to be his wife! I had no idea, it was not planned, it was just one in a million! And so she actually got active on the school board, they wanted to put 5G right on the roof of the school, she kept that out, she said no way we can’ have a 5G tower literally on the roof of the school no matter what it means to connectivity, no matter what it means to dollars and cents, maybe if this company that’s paying us, she said no way. And so, there are solar companies now that are aware and are taking steps, and they are not small ones, they’re big ones. And also we’re working with Legacy right now, and Titan, to include it! And I won’t say specifically that they always include it for health. One of the things that happens in the solar industry is when you get solar, you have to pull a permit, and once I pull a permit that’s public record. So anyone that’s looking, Nick, now knows that I’m interested in solar in my house to the point where I’m planning on it. So what happens then is that other solar companies come, they want to present to you, they maybe want to offer you a lower price, etc. So what these solar companies do is they get our product and they say, ‘Okay Mr. Pineault, glad to get you some solar, it’s going to take about a month probably before we can install, let’s get you cleaning your power and saving today.’ They install the unit then, and now it has begun that process, right? So if somebody else comes to pitch you, you already have a very expensive piece of equipment wired in at your panel, you’re already saving money or beginning to feel the effects, it just makes it much harder now to unravel that deal. So while they do care about humans, while they do care about the EMF, it’s a really great way to secure that deal, immediately if you will, and at least start that process going.”


Nick: “Yeah! Did they identify as a business also, are they able to make claims about possible electricity savings? Because solar technology must take a lot of electricity! It must a substantial investment to have solar run a lot, right? I don’t have solar on my condo..”


B.D.: “Absolutely! So in the US, you’re talking probably about 20,000 US for a small home, 40-50,000 is probably the average larger good size install in the US, that’s a major investment, right? And since we’re going to talk about this dirty electricity, when you have solar you have more. So here are some of the things that we talked about last time that I’ll recap a little bit, when you charge your phone, it charges slowly. It gets very warm, it gets very hot, maybe while it’s charging, and you’ll notice it because it’s not every time. The back of your refrigerator is hot, the air conditioner motor is very warm, your DVR, your computer screens, all of these things are warm, so this excess reactive power, this excess dirty electricity, non-usable power, has to go somewhere, right?, it doesn’t turn into pixie dust, it turns into heat, that’s how it represents. Dirty electricity and this wasteful non-usable electricity represent as heat. Heat is not free! Heat is pure watts. So when your DVR is hot, it doesn’t make it happy, but that’s also a lot of wasted electricity, and your phone and the back of your fridge and all these things are wasted electricity. If you live somewhere that’s warm, now your air conditioner motor is warm and it’s battling itself and it’s making this cold, but you have all of these little heaters in your house, you have all your screens and all your things, right?, they’re kicking out all of these BTU’s that your air conditioner is now fighting. So simply by cooling those things, the Department of Energy says that behavior is probably the most important, but after that, if you’re heating and cooling, can cycle, you know, less event cycles or run less often, so usually where you keep your thermostat, that that has a big impact on your bill! Well, who doesn’t want to be comfortable? We all want to be comfortable, right? So there’s absolutely a quantitative savings that’s guaranteed that a lot of them guarantee a written percentage because number one it’s going to lower the amp draw on your big energy hogs, so your dishwasher, your air conditioner, refrigerator, freezer, Power Perfect lowers amp draws on those major amp-hungry energy hogs we call them, and if they run cooler, they’re probably going to last longer! Boy, that sure follows that device getting clean regulated power and being cool could last longer, but your power bill also goes down from cooling. And so there is another side benefit then, you know, away from health and away from these other things that’s real, tangible energy savings. And then, too, how long is it going to take to ROY? So in Missoula, Montana where I live, before federal and tax rebates, and not everyone qualifies you have to have a tax appetite for them to qualify, you’re looking at a 10 or 11-year ROY on solar. If you can use the federal and state tax rebates, you’re looking at about 7 years. So that’s about the advertisement on solar. If you save another 5-12% on your power bill, you get to take a whole other year off of that, you’re down to 6! So now think about if I’m a solar sales guy, and I’m out there and I’m competing with the rest of the world and everyone can get tier one panels, we can all get the same inverters and the same brands, so what sets your company apart? I’m going to take good care of you, I’m going to be timely, I’m going to be pleasant, right?, if you call I’m going to take your call and I’m going to help you, but also we’re going to deliver this clean power, so if you’ve thought about EMF, we’ve now taken you from not giving you more, like most solar does, but actually giving you less than you had even before, and also we’re going to lower your bill and cool your heat. It’s a surge protector, your items are going to last longer, and while we’re at the exact same price, their ROY is 7 years, ours is 6, and we can get you saving today. It’s very compelling, it’s one of the reasons our business is growing so fast.”











need one. So, we do have sizes, we have Standard, Heavy Duty and Super Duty, so you may need a Heavy Duty or a Super Duty, in fact you almost surely will now that you’ve got solar, but you don’t need a second one. Putting that one of the main panel will service the whole home, everything on that panel, and its subpanels all in one, so you don’t have to get two.”

Nick: “Oh that’s great! Okay, wow! Well, that’s as simple as it gets! My god, well, that’s good to know because, of course, double the prices wouldn’t be ideal, I guess, if you have mansion with 56 bedrooms might be something else, but if we’re talking about the average home, one is sufficient. I did hear just a sidenote from my colleague, Brian Hoyer, in this mind he’s starting to recommend these Heavy Duty units that are more powerful more and more simply for the reason that things are evolving in the wrong direction as far as dirty electricity goes, so if you want to future-proof your install in a sense and in the next 10 years dirty electricity that your neighbors produce because, unfortunately, they might not be listening to this show, please share with them, but if they’re not they might start installing CFL’s and not understanding these things that can pollute inside your home. So, just thinking about also future-proofing, are you seeing at the moment that installs are lasting in time as far as their ability to keep the levels down?”


B.D.: “So that’s a great question too, and you touched on a couple of important things there. Number one, technology and the way that we are using technology and the things that are being invented are increasing dirty electricity. In 1995, you did not need a SATIC unit, in most cases. There might be some situations where your home might have dirty electricity, but, you know, we used incandescent lightbulbs, we didn’t have a lot of tech devices, cell phones were just making their leap, there was Dish network and DirectTV and all these digital deliveries didn’t really exist yet or were in their infancy, there was no crypto-mining, indoor marijuana growing was illegal in the US, these things are major contributors to dirty electricity and were connected. We’ve had people put a Power Perfect on their home save, you know, 16% on their utility bill, and then their neighbor comes over and they say ‘Hey, what’s changed? My bill has gone down 10%!’ ‘…”


Nick: “Haha, that probably makes them happy! Haha.”


B.D.: “Haha, no charge neighbor! Haha. We probably have 100 testimonials, you know, because we have over 85,000 installed, we are a 13-year old company, we probably have over 100 testimonials where the neighbors felt the effect financially, physically etc. from the cleaner electricity. So as you said, you can help clean your neighbors, you can also help dirty your neighbors, and your neighbor can also help dirty yours by the use of these devices, and what happens sometimes is maybe we’ve got a person that is very EHS, they’re electrohyper-sensitive, they need low DE numbers and then their neighbor gets solar, and the neighbor is not a bad person, they’re a lovely individual, they’re made a financial or a very green decision for themselves, but it negatively impacts the neighbor. So, there’s a lot of that going on. And as you were saying too, the lighting that we use, the tech that we use, these things keep growing it. So, you certainly never go wrong, I think, with getting a Heavy Duty or a Super Duty to kind of future-protect yourself as you stated because we don’t know what the next leap in technology is. Is there something else that’s coming? And we know, 5G is hitting. Well, where does 5G land? It lands on antennas. Well, what’s an antenna? A copper wire, a copper pipe, those are sure great antennas! Well, who’s house is not full of copper wiring and copper plumbing? We all are! So, it is, just as you said, it is exacerbating at a high level, an increasing level right now today as we speak.”


Nick: “Yeah, and when you’re referring to 5G, of course the wireless is a bit different, however, I did hear that if you live near these cell towers, and with 5G it will become ubiquitous in the sense that their goal in neighborhoods and areas is that every 3 to 10 homes you have a small cell, the small cells themselves can draw a lot of power, in fact, the industry is struggling at the moment to keep certain small cells from literally, not exploding but, not malfunctioning because of the overheating effects, so I’m thinking the cell towers themselves and they’re somewhere in the vicinity, must contribute to the dirty electricity problem, and that’s a thought. But, I know it’s extremely energy-hungry, in fact, that’s something the industry has said has really slowed the roll of 5G is the fact that these things are expensive, they overheat, and they’re kind of having trouble rolling out the small cell technology at the moment because of that. Have you heard of dirty electricity being created by nearby cell phone towers?”











growing, and just indoor growing in general, I mean, who doesn’t want fresh produce if you could do that, that’s another energy-intensive thing. And then of course these new technologies like the 5G, anytime you’re transmitting a signal, that takes power, you’ve got to push that wave. And that takes power, and you are exactly correct, they want these things every 3 to 10 houses, that’s going to be hundreds of them in every neighborhood. Where is that power going to come from? Right? And again, if I can make your neighbor’s power clean or dirty, that same thing happens from these towers, and it happens in kind of a three-fold effect- number one they distort the wave or add extra waves themselves, that’s A. B, that signal lands on my copper pipes. C, that signal lands on my copper wiring and now I’m living in this conductive super-antenna and it’s going to be bad for all of us, and the people who are sensitive, they’re going to be in trouble, Nick.”


Nick: “Yeah, I agree with everything that you said and the problem, you know, that junk on connectivity or the fact that you can find, you could take certain special meters and, in fact, I heard an antidote from Dave Aspry who has the bulletproof radio podcast, he talked about he first came across Wi-Fi for the first time with an engineer that was devil-upping the first Wi-Fi, maybe even one of the first routers ever conceived, and the engineer said ‘Look there’s something cool, I have a special meter and I put it on your body and the antenna touches your body and look! I can download data that’s now on your body! Look how cool this is!’ And the reality is if we had a special meter, I could technically speaking, download stuff that’s around, like conversations and such if I’m around the crypt, right?”


B.D.: “Right.”


Nick: “Technically speaking, this information, this charge, this electricity is on your body. So this human body is an antenna, so that happens, right? The increased body voltage that we see through dirty electricity and normal electricity and Wi-Fi can get everywhere, it can get on surfaces that are metallic, and also, the more antennas you install the more this is happening. So, this is also a phenomenon where dirty electricity is kind of, I don’t know if induced is the right word, but it kind of pollutes your wires just because the electro-pollution is increasing in levels. And another thought I had, maybe we conclude on that, I wanted to keep this one short but, what’s the state of, or, are you aware of the state of the electronics in the industry or what electronics engineers say about the dirty electricity problem. Is there a discussion in the industry where they’re realizing that this stuff is out of control and that the machines are producing too much dirty electricity which might lead to, simply speaking, engineering problems?”


B.D.: “Absolutely! So one of the very best studies that I’ve read on the subject matter was in concluded in Europe, conducted in Europe, and they had gone from the Edison-resistive lightbulb, the filament lightbulb that we all grew up with that we used for 120 years successfully to the compact-florescent lamp, the curly-q, that was the first major leap in lighting since Thomas Edison. And what they concluded was that the standard lightbulb that we all grew up with has the power factor of perfect, it’s 1.0, it’s unity because it resists, it doesn’t want the electricity, it resists it, so it naturally cleans it. And they changed that to the compact florescent lamp that most of them have a power factor of 50. So, about 50% is real power, it watts, it’s 50% of reactive power, it’s one of the reasons they got so hot at base, because even though they didn’t operate the same way, their heat was from this reactive power. Well, you know have to push twice as much of electricity because only half of it is usable. So in Europe they found that while the old lightbulb was 60 watts and then the new lightbulb is 20 watts, they couldn’t push 20 watts, they had to push like 30 watts because so little of the power was usable now that it really diminished the gain if any, Nick! And now we have this huge proliferation of dirty electricity so, again, our stuff is hot. Do manufacturers of electronics care about dirty electricity? Absolutely because they want their device to operate as advertised, they want their device to at least have some longevity, now, we know that they build in some obsolescence, but they don’t want it dying day one, right? So they know, these are brilliant engineers, that when you have a compounding effect, and now we’ve given our consumer 30 devices that are causing dirty electricity and not lowering its quality that that will, at some point, ultimately also break our thing too. Right? It will also make our thing too. So some of the technologies that we use are actually showing up more and more in components and I don’t want to say anything disparaging, but I believe the big driver is simply to help their device last longer, perform well, perform as advertised, etc. So yes, there’s not only awareness but, you know, discussions about it.”








how you install them, maybe not have them like right next to a pillow or something, but the dirty electricity problem will start getting better especially with solar itself, and maybe the electronics will become cleaner, so that’s a move towards safer technologies, and I’ve always been saying in all five years of my work, when consumer demand in which sufficient technology would evolve, and also when an industry is aware of a problem that can hurt their bottom line, then they will act or number three would be when an industry is aware of competitive advantage, then they can move towards safer or cleaner or greener or smarter technology. And if an industry, an entire industry, one competitor that is a major player enough realizes that they can have an edge of 5%, then all the other players will freak out and adopt that same technology or else they will use market share. So it’s very simple capitalism that, I guess the good thing about capitalism, like there’s some good things about it, and that can be it, that can be fast innovation when an industry is forced. Sometimes it’s not in the direction of help, but when these two are aligned, it can be very very fast. Just look at the organic food movement, for example, and how fast it sprung and how WalMart was out of the game completely within a few years and I heard or read, I don’t know if this is accurate, but, Wal-Mart was one of the biggest producers or buyer or re-seller of organic foods in the US, who would’ve thought?! Wal-Mart?! Really?! You sell cheap, plastic things that break in two seconds and all of a sudden you sell the most organic food? At one point, McDonalds might be the healthiest place in the world! I don’t know what we’re going to see! But it’s tremendous. Is there anything else that we didn’t address that you wanted to talk about specifically towards solar? If not, just mention where your products are sold, what options are available, anything you want to mention.”


B.D.: “Yes, so that change that you and I want so desperately starts with men like you and I and people having discussions, humans beings having discussions. So, the two big inverter companies that reached out to us reached out to us because customers were asking. So just as you said, enough customers ask, they’ll do something. Once one of the big players does it, chances are everyone is going to follow or they’re going to lose market share. So our company again is called SATIC, S-A-T-I-C. We have a free educational site,, our YouTube channel is saticusa and it’s free, any time you see a commercial on there, guys, know that’s from YouTube, it’s not from us, that’s not how we market…”


Nick: “Oh yeah, me too! Haha.”


B.D.: “…they started adding commercials to everything didn’t they? Haha. And out sales site is, but you can always call and get great customer care. Don’t feel obligated to just go to the site and buy, please go to the site and look and shop and browse and feel safe to browse, and then call our great team, Alden and Valerie, Al and Val we call them, and get time with them finding out exactly what you need, how to use it, where it goes, etc. so that you get the best experience from us and the best result for you and your house and your family.”


Nick: “Tremendous. B.D., it has been a great discussion. Please everyone wherever you’re listening to this, podcasting platforms, send me an email, let me know about this interview on YouTube or BitChute or any alternative platforms, leave a comment! I want to know what you guys think! I think this is great content from B.D. and you’re highly informative and it’s been the best discussion on dirty electricity, I’m glad we did this part two and if there’s novel things coming down the pipe, I’d love to have you for a part three, who knows! So please stay in touch! Thank you so much again.”


B.D.: “Thank you!”


Nick: “So B.D., you have a special discount on the Power Perfect Box, not only the Power Perfect Box but also everything in your store, and that’s a very generous offer! So you’re going to create some kind of coupon code for the listeners?”


B.D.: “You know that’s exactly correct. We don’t do a lot of advertising as stated, our videos are free, we depend on listeners, we depend on, you know, people like you telling our story, getting the truth out, being brave and standing firm and owning their truth, even if it’s not popular. So, we’ve created a discount code ‘Nick10’. Please shop at the store, when you’re ready to check out enter the coupon code, save 10% on the entire shopping cart on the entire store.”


Nick: “That’s tremendous. Thank you so much! So that’s on”


B.D.: “That’s correct.”

Nick: “That’s perfect. So ‘Nick10’. Thank you so much, B.D. So you can find all of the information underneath this video or go to and use the coupon code ‘Nick10’ for 10% off everything in the store. Thank you so much!”


B.D.: “Thank you”

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Nick: “That’s a very, almost coincidence that in an industry you save electricity, help the environment, which is a popular thing to do these days, like, no one argue that saving energy these days isn’t good for the planet, so that’s good, that’s super mainstream, and then also people get the good side effect that they’re, in fact, helping their health with that reduction of dirty electricity, which the science points towards that it’s probably stressful to our biology, so why not, right? Do you need an install that is dedicated, let’s say, a Power Perfect box or some sort of mitigation device like the Power Perfect that might have some other things, do you need to have something dedicated for your solar panel install and then something else for the rest of your home? That's something I heard from certain EMF mitigation specialists, what do you normally see? Does it depend on the size of the install of the solar panels? 

B.D.: "So that's a great question! You should only

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Nick: “Yeah, and you did mention that some of your products have been, are they integrated inside certain solar installs? Or what’s your relationship with certain solar companies nowadays? Are they aware of the health effects or are they aware of the harmonics being a big problem for people in their home?”

B.D.: "So, that's a great question! That's got several chunks, and if I rabbit trail, bring me back around because this has got several components. Number one- two of the largest solar panel inverter manufacturers that are used in the US have reached out to us specifically and talked about either packaging, partnering, including, building in, and those were, these are companies so much larger than SATIC, it was incredible that they reached out. Now, candidly, and I don't want to say

B.D.: "So it's not the solar panel itself, it's really two other components that go with the solar installation. In either order, we'll just take each of them, the solar inverter. So, the solar panels make direct current, but of course, we live in an alternating current world, so the solar inverter's job now is to take the direct current world, so the solar inverter's job now is to take that direct current at whatever voltage its got, so that depends on how many panels are on that string, you know, the more panels in a row, the higher the voltage goes, as high as 600 voltage, 600 volts in most residential situations, and it's going to turn that into alternating current at two legs of 120 volts in the US. Okay, so that process itself creates harmonic distortion, interference and these electromagnetic fields. In fact, it's so well

B.D.: "Beyond contestation. Absolutely positive. So some of the things that are happening, and you touched on a few of these, so crypto-mining is popular, crypto-currency is this new things, we don't see any end in sight, so they not only set up these huge crypto-mining facilities that take maybe 5 or 15 megawatts or power, that really influences the community. Is there the infrastructure? Is there the available power? Is there the coal planet or the nuclear plant or the da, that can facilitate that A., and then B., a lot of humans want to start crypto-mining in their own home. And so you're talking about, you know, probably 10 more amps at 120 volts of additional power that that family home normally, in a normal situation, would not need. How many people in the neighborhood are doing this? Indoor marijuana 

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Nick: "That's good I guess! Maybe we will foresee a future where electronics will be forced to be built with sufficient filtration, maybe filtration in and out, I don't know exactly how that will work, but just for the sake of your phone's battery, for the sake of that cheap electronic that you just bough made in China and you want it to last more then a month, of else they will go out of business, out of too many RMA requests. So yeah, it's interesting that eventually when a problem gets so big that an industry's bottom line is hurt, well, it's going to be sorted very quickly and someone is going to invest massive money trying to make it happen and the competitors will be forced to do so and I'm very happy about what's happening with solar because I think a few years from now, I'm going to be able to say you know what, solar panels aren't perfect, you've got to watch

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