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Dirty Electricity and What Is It and How To Clean It

B.D. Erickson II, CEO of Satic Shield goes on a live webinar to talk to R Blank, head of Shield Your Body, and Andrew McAfee, inventor of the NCB product line to talk about and define the basics of dirty electricity and how to properly mitigate our environments from the harmful effects of EMF. 

B.D. Erickson II, CEO of Satic Shield goes on the live Shield Your Body webinar to talk to R Blank, head of Shield Your Body, and Andrew McAfee, inventor of the NCB product line to talk about the basics of dirty electricity and how to properly mitigate our environments from the harmful effects of EMF. They talk about the harmful effects that EMFs not only have on our electronic devices that surround us daily, but the extremely harmful effects that EMFs and their subsequent radiation have on the biological and the many signs of these harms that we didn't see before and how both the NCB and Power Perfect product lines are the right solutions. 

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R Blank: “Okay everybody hi and welcome to the SYB webinar ‘Dirty Electricity and What It Is and How To Clean It.” Um, we’re going to get started today, um, the main event today is the Q&A with our two very special guests B.D. Erickson and Andrew McAfee. To get us started I have prepared a very short 10-minute presentation explaining what dirty electricity is, if you already know it’s only 10 minutes and it will get everyone caught up to the same page and then we will get right in to Q&A so you can have your questions about this very mysterious topic answered by two of the leading experts. So, give me one second here to share that presentation, again, this is only 10 minutes and then we will get right into the Q&A.”

“Welcome everyone to this very special webinar “Dirty Electricity: What It Is and How to Clean It. Briefly about me, my name is R Blank and I’m the CEO of Shield Your Body and the host of the Healthier Tech Podcast. Formally I taught on the faculty of the University of Southern California School of Engineering, and along with my father Dr. Martin Blank co-authored “Overpowered: The Science of EMF Health Effects”. This all follows a 20-year career in software engineering. So to explain dirty electricity, perhaps it’s best to start by explaining what clean electricity is. Regular electricity is conducted into our homes for electrical wiring. Most people receive their power from the utility company over the power grid, although some do generate their power locally at their own home. This electricity that we receive has a standardized voltage and frequency, in the US most homes receive electricity at a power of 120 volts and a frequency of 60 Hertz. In Europe, voltage is usually between 220 and 240 and the frequency is 50 Hertz. And if you measured this electricity with a device called an oscilloscope, that electricity should appear as a clean sinewave as you see here on the screen. The problem is is that if you measured the electricity in any of our homes, it won’t look clean, it will look dirty. And the term dirty electricity refers to variations, spikes and surges in the voltage and the frequency. The clean sinewave we should expect becomes dirty with all of this interference. When the dirty electricity occurs, currents flowing through our electrical wiring deviate from the standards we expect.


















book Dr. Sam Milham shows that the electrification of all our lives has led to an epidemic of what he refers to as ‘the diseases of civilization’, diseases that did not occur in populations until they were exposed to EMF from the electrical grid. These diseases of civilization include Alzheimer’s, infertility, depression, heart disease, and Lou Gehrig’s disease. In separate work published by Dr. Magda Havas and Dave Stetzer in 2004, they found that filtering out dirty electricity reduces symptoms associated with electrical hypersensitivity such as chronic fatigue, depression, headaches, body aches and pains, ringing in the ears, dizziness and impaired sleep, hearing loss, and confusion. Now, if you hire a professional to measure the DE in your home they will often use an oscilloscope, a device that looks somewhat like the device you see on the screen right now, and if your electricity is basically clean it will show a display that kind of looks like this yellow line, a nice clean sinewave. And if you have a lot of dirty electricity that sinewave will look a lot more like the yellow line on this screen. But a lot of people don’t hire experts to do this work even though you should, and even if you do hire an expert the amount of dirty electricity in your home can change over time due to changes in the grid or how much stuff you have plugged in, there are a lot of variables, and no one is going to pay someone to be in their home full time 24/7 to monitor an oscilloscope. And that’s where consumer-grade dirty electricity meters come in. Also called EMI Line Monitors because they also measure the levels of electromagnetic interference, or EMI, on your power system. And here you can see the EMI Line Monitor from SATIC. All you do is plug it into an outlet and take the measurement, it really is that easy! And you can see is displays EMI in the measurements of millivolts. And Satic recommends that you should reduce the amount of dirty electricity if that number goes above 100. Now a quick note that because dirty electricity flows on the electrical wiring in outlets, that means many devices intended to measure and clean dirty electricity use plugs dependent on your grid, right? Because power grids are different in each country, so if you have an EMI Line Monitor made from North America and you bring it to England you can’t use it because it won’t fit in the plug. Satic’s plug-in meters and filters are designed for both North America and the UK. Now once you’ve measured and if you have a lot of dirty electricity, how do you address it? Well the first thing I want to emphasize is that standard ways of defending against EMF don’t really work against dirty electricity because with most types of EMF distance will protect you. The power of EMF diminishes exponentially with distance, that means if you double the amount of distance from the source of EMF you’re cutting your exposure by 75%. But with dirty electricity, unfortunately, distance does not reduce your exposure because DE is conducted along the wires in your home getting further away from the source doesn’t help you. So the first thing you should do is unplug stuff you don’t need, that’s doesn’t mean you never need it but maybe you don’t need it all the time, unplug as much as you can and see if that helps with the dirty electricity, and in a lot of cases it will, and then plug it back in only when you need it, right? TV’s are not on 24/7, your blender is not on 24/7, chargers are not on or being used 24/7, and so unplug everything you don’t need when you’re not using it, and once you’ve done that and you still have additional dirty electricity that you want to clean up, that’s where filters come in, like the Satic Pure Power and Power Perfect filters. The Pure Power filters seen here on the left is a plug-in unit, these are very easy to install just plug them into an outlet and these allow you to clean up DE on a specific outlet. The PowerPerfect filter, like you see on the right, is a wire-in unit, this means a professional must install it, literally they must wire it into the electrical system in your home. Now we just addressed traditional dirty electricities like the Satic models, and that’s what most people think of when they talk about cleaning dirty electricity. Standard DE filters, like the ones from Satic, clean the energy from the hot and neutral conductors, in other words you can think of it, they clean the dirty electricity from the two prongs on a plug like you see here, what they don’t clean is the ground. The ground is the third prong, again as seen highlighted in this photo, and it connects to the grounding conductor in your home’s wiring. This is used to make the electrical wiring of our various products safer, and when you use standard dirty electricity filters in your home you’re leaving this ground unaddressed. Now a lot of things in your home are grounded, this includes your computer, your TV, your refrigerator, most appliances in fact, and actually a heck of a lot of things like anything with the third prong on the plug is grounded. Now I want to highlight that this also applies to grounding products things like grounding mats and more then that, a lot of types of EMF protection are grounded, like shielding paint and canopies, all of these are plugged into the grounding conductor which means they can conduct EMF hazards like dirty electricity closer to your body. So when addressing dirty electricity, it is also important to access and address the dirty electricity on the grounding conductor, and that’s where the NCB comes in. The NCB, short for Nuisance Current Blocker, is a ground-breaking patent-pending invention from EMF consultant Andrew McAfee. In short, the NCB makes grounding your body safer by among other features filtering out the dirty electricity from your grounding conductor. And just like with the Satic filters it comes in a plug-in version and a wire-in version. You use the plug-in NCB to help clean dirty electricity from the grounding conductor on a specific outlet, and the wire-in pro version to clean an entire grounding conductor. So there you have it, that’s dirty electricity in a nutshell, what causes it, what it does to you, how to measure it, and how to clean it.”

The electricity becomes dirty when polluted by the byproducts from all of our appliances and devices and chargers that are plugged into the grid. Now while some of our home appliances such as blenders are a big source of dirty electricity, another significant source is power inverters. There are two types of electricity, and you’ve probably heard of both, they’re called AC, like alternating current like we get when we plug into an outlet, and DC, or direct current like we get when we use a battery. The difference between these two different types of electrical flow aren’t important here, but what is important is what we need to convert them. So for instance, when we charge our phones we’re taking AC electricity from the wall outlet and converting it to DC power for the phone battery. Similarly if we have a solar power system at our house that system charges batteries, so in order to use the power source in those batteries to power the appliances in our homes, we convert the DC power into our home’s AC power. To convert AC to DC and vice versa, we use something called an inverter. And these inverters cause a lot of dirty electricity, and modern homes tend to have quite a few of these. Now in terms of the health effects, dirty electricity has been linked with many negative health outcomes. In his well-known and highly regarded 

"Excellent so now we can get to the main event, one second here to share my own screen again, oh and to answer a question that several of you have, yes this is being recorded and yes you will get the link to it tomorrow. Okay, so, now so like I said that was sort of the top level nutshell of what dirty electricity ,s. but now we have the real experts here to join us to answer all of your questions about dirty electricity as well as the NCB and the Satic product lines. We have Andrew McAfee who is the inventor of the NCB, and B.D. Erickson the CEO of Satic. Andrew became electrically sensitive in 2001 after moving into a brand new home with his wife. Charles Keen of helped them identify and correct the numerous wiring violations that caused the unhealthy environment. Keen and Carl Riley worked with Andrew in his next two homes solve their new issues. Andrew's full-time career as a professional musician became exceedingly difficult to perform, and in 2007 he left the symphony to join the musical faculty at UNC-Chapel Hill. Through his website, Andrew received requests for EMF help and his outreach began. His training continued out in the field with numerous electricians while studying the works from Mike Holt in basic electricity,

grounding and bonding, understanding the NEC, and also consulting with Dave Stetzer, Sam Milham, Donald Zipsey and numerous other leading EMF consultants. Andrew led the smart meter lobbying efforts against Duke Energy through the North Carolina Utilities Commission and was able to achieve a no-fee medical opt out for North Carolinians. Realizing the effects from the power grid and the upcoming 5G networks, Andrew retired from horn performance and went full-time with his home EMF-tracing service in May of 2017. He completed a year-long pen foster online training program and received residential electricians career diploma in May 2019. He is now OSCA10 certified, a Building Biology Institute advanced electromagnetic radiation lab leader and currently works full-time for Bonnoville Electric as a service technician and project manager. His mastery degree is in conducting and he continues to lead a full orchestra for the annual ballet productions of The Nutcracker with the Triangle Youth Ballet. And B.D. Erickson, he is a proven leader and team builder, successfully navigating an ever-changing high-tech business climate. Having business and science degrees, combined with Anthony Robbins Mastery University and Leadership Academy, B.D. is well equipped to lead his team in the highly technical sector of clean, renewable energy. Spanning two decades in high-pressure leadership roles, B.D. has been recognized multiple times for building winning teams, creating an outstanding corporate culture and having a massive impact on company-wide growth. Currently running the country’s leading clean power manufacturing facility and Montana’s most proficient solar company. B.D. possess a proven track record of sustaining high-level team buy-in, not simply surviving but thriving in the high-pressure environment of  advanced American technology manufacturing. And as we get into Q&A, I want to let everyone know that we do have a special for those of you who are attending this webinar, if these products, the NCB or Satic filters, are of interest to you, you can purchase them on this evening and tomorrow for 20% off, there is no coupon code this discount will be applied automatically at checkout. So with that we are now ready to get into Q&A, and we already have a nice healthy batch of questions to start with, but Andrew, B.D., can you turn on your cameras please?”

Andrew McAfee: "Thank you, R, great to be here!" 

B.D. Erickson II: "Yes sir, nice to see you!" 

R: Nice to see you both again! Okay, so we will try and make this a free-flowing sort of conversation but I’ll get us kicked off with a couple of the questions from the pod, and if you have questions for either of these gentlemen please make sure to type them out into the Q&A pod and not into the chat pod because we will probably miss them if they’re in the chat pod. Okay, so, anonymous asks ‘Why do the dirty electricity levels spike so much? I have a lot of the Greenwave plug-in filters installed and my DE numbers look pretty good and then a few minutes or an hour later they jump even with no one else in my house, they’ll jump to over 1,000 like from a starting number of 22 or 28, and then they’ll drop back down to the original numbers. Why does this happen and how can I prevent this?’ Um, Andrew, do you want to kick us off?”

Andrew: “Yeah unfortunately it’s going to be probably what B.D.’s going to be talking about, you know, you have to look at all of your appliances inside your home as, you know, variable frequency drives whenever your heat, AC, whatever, your fan motor is going to kick in, you’re going to have a massive amount of harmonics that are going to be especially on a geo-grounding system, which is why I’m here, I’m talking about that, but if it’s not coming from inside of your house and you’re sharing a transformer with your neighbor who has a pool motor that’s going to be kicking in, you’re going to be getting it in your house.”

R: "B.D.? Any advice on what they can do?" 

B.D.: “He spoke correctly. We know that things like refrigerators and freezers work on a thermostat. Once they get, you know, warm then something turns on and that’s their job to cool them. So we just have a lot of things in our home that have a tendency to cycle on or off automatically, when those things happen then you’re going to see a difference on a meter. Also as Andrew was saying, if you share a transformer, what your neighbor does unfortunately can oftentimes have an effect on you, so it might not even be something in your home.”

R: "So is there anything they can do to protect against these spikes?" 

B.D.: "So that's why Satic has such a different view then Greenwave and Stetzer. Satic loves to wire something in at the panel, it's not about being different or about being better, it's about being different, it's a way we can definitly isolate that home or that apartment or that townhouse from what the neighbors are doing. So one step is adding filters as you've done and that's awesome. Another thing would be, you know, making sure you've turned things off as we've talked about before, you know the less things you have on the less things that can cycle, and wiring something at the panel certainly does the part B of that separating you from the house from the grid to the transformer, etc." 

R: "Now, following up on that B.D., you were talking about your wire-in unit, Andrew the NCB has a wire-in unit as well, how do you work with an electrician to get them to do this?" 

Andrew: "Alright, so, I'm going to give a first layer answer and then we can dig in deeper. With electrically sensitive people, because that's what we're talking about

here, we’re not just talking about any Joe, we’re talking about a community of people that have demanded changes in standards and behaviors, I mean, electricians are being asked to do things they have no idea nothing about, so you get an expert, a specialist that knows about dirty electricity and you’re going to be leading the electrician through the learning process of how to track down whatever we’re calling, some people call it EMI, electromagnetic interference, or dirty electricity. How do you find it is not easy and there is specialized equipment, there’s spectrum analyzers that you can clip on different wires to analyze, you turn breakers on and off, you see if levels go up and down, you have electric meters, you have magnetic field meters, you have all these different types of things to try and figure out what source, what circuit. So the simple answer is you need to hire somebody to help you through this process of finding it, otherwise you just throw your breakers off and try to figure it out that way.”

R: "So when you say hire somebody you're not talking about a standard electrician, you're talking about maybe a building biologist?" 

Andrew: "Correct." 

R: "Okay, B.D., are you products designed to be installed by, your wire-in products, are those designed to be installed by licensed electricians or do you also need to have a specialization?" 

B.D.: “Actually in most jurisdictions having authority since ours does not require an inspection or permit a technical person can do it because the code is that it’s installed correctly and that’s more of the code that it’s done properly and by whom. Sometimes you can find these people in one individual. Whenever you’re having a question of getting a Satic product installed please call Satic and see if we’ve got somebody in the area because oftentimes having been in the business for 15 years, we have an electrician in the area who came in eyes wide open or skeptical and has installed a few of our things, or many of them, and is getting it now and just getting an idea of how to spot it and will actually be a force of good for you and trying to navigate it for you and finding it and getting it installed. That doesn’t mean that we have an electrician everywhere, and so unfortunately we might not have one, but always ask, because if we’ve got someone there then we certainly would prefer them, they’re called a Satic Certified installer, and we do have hundreds of them country-wide, and sometimes if you’re a little poo-poo’d, perhaps you hire an electrician at first blush and they’re not, you know, they’re not really fully going to accept, just be brave, just speak and own your truth and say you know what this might not be important to you but it’s important to me, you know, I care about this, this is what I’m looking for and this is what I want to have installed and this is the result that I want. Building biologists are great, building biologists will look at a lot of things including maybe some things off of this subject matter that might be important, but you’d be surprised with a little bit of a push how many times an electrician could actually be that person for you.”

R: "Huh, excellent, thank you! Okay, Andrew, we have one that is for you, and it's 'I have the NCB and haven't tried to adjust it, why should I try to adjust it?' So I assume this person is speaking about the dial feature on the NCB, so why is it that someone would want to adjust the dial on the NCB?" 

Andrew: “So the reason why people buy the NCB because they’re using some sort of grounding mat or bedsheets, they’re attached their body for some therapeutic reason to the house wiring which is very dangerous, and that’s the reason why I created the NCB is to do two things- allow you to dissipate or drain away the electric field, and that’s what most people are objecting to and that’s what your body is objecting to is that you have an electric field around you and you charge your body like a battery and then you start having inflammation symptoms and other types of chronic ailments. So getting rid of the electric field, which is very similar to just turning off your breaker, makes people feel better. Now if they’re going to attach their body to the grounding conductor of their house, there’s current on it, current is the killer, you at no time ever want current going through your body, so the NCB has a dial where you can find the sweet spot and at what point will you stop the current but still be able to dissipate or reduce the electric field?”

R: “Excellent, thank you! And we have an article about that that’s written by Andrew and it’s at Great, thank you! Okay, and another one for Andrew, and then I promise we will get back to Satic as well, ‘I have an NCB, why all the warnings? Is it safe for my sauna space?’

Andrew: “So if you’re talking about the NCB plug, I do not recommend plugging it into saunas or any appliance, it’s not what it’s for. An advanced practitioner can analyze where and when you can put it on appliances but I do not recommend putting it on an appliance because you want the appliance to drain its own noise, its own dirty electricity, its own electric field away from you and your body. So every time that you touch the refrigerator, every time you touch a freezer, you’re going to have energy, current, possibly going into you and the grounding conductor takes the current away from you. If you start to choke that grounding conductor with the NCB more energy will build up on the surface of the appliance and if you touch it it’s going to try and go through you. So in general, do not use it on appliances but use it if you’re using a grounding mat or shielding, you know, we will get into a little bit with RF shielding, but basically anything that’s touching your body you don’t want current going through your body and that’s why you need the NCB.”

R: “Excellent, thank you! And I think I touched on this in my presentation but just to make it absolutely clear for everyone who is in attendance today, the NCB and the Satic products are complimentary, they address different aspects of the hazards that we’re talking about here, so they don’t overlap in functionality, and in fact, Andrew, I believe you use both in your home, is that, am I remembering that correctly?”

Andrew: “That’s correct. So the wired version blocks foreign current that’s coming from a well or anything else that’s touching the earth that comes in even though the breakers are off there’s still current coming in so I needed the NCB Pro, the wired version, to stop that current coming in on the grounding conductor from the secondary earth reference.”

R: "Excellent, thank you. So B.D., this attendee say 'I heard about meters for America nad the UK, what about the rest of all of Europe? Do you offer some sort of solution for other grids?" 

B.D.: "We have four meters- we have the US, the UK, the European Union and Australia currently in manufacturing." 

R: “I did not know that, wow! That’s really cool! Okay! Excellent! Well that was a very simple and positive answer! Okay so, Nicole asks ‘Instead of unplugging, can we just close the breakers? Does that achieve the same effect as, because you know in my presentation I was saying the first line of defense was start to unplug things that aren’t in use, does turning off the circuit at the breaker address the same issue?’”

B.D.: "Yes!" 

R: "Okay! Excellent!" 

B.D.: "And we will even get more stuff right? So unplugging something is very centralized to that, turning off the breaker will turn off everything on that circuit." 

R: “Brian asks ‘We already have a few towns in Massachusetts vowing to go all electric. Gas explosions in the EU Global Climate Agreement predicated this. We’re seeing an explosion of sourced heat pumps with variable speed fans, ductless mini-splits and hybrid heat pump water heaters are everywhere. What could be done to mitigate the high amounts of dirty electricity coming from things like this? Is the Satic wire-in unit comprehensive enough?’”

B.D.: "Absolutely! That's its job!" 

R: "Andrew, anything to add out there?" 

Andrew: "Yeah! So everyone wants to simple plug-and-play solution, and be able to go back to sleep and just forget about this. But I think we're in a time, the age of revelation where we have to take off the scab, heal this wound, we all have to look at what are the really underlying issues, the problem with the grid, the problem with appliances, and we have these new diseases that are emerging that are stimulated by electromagnetic frequencies. So the solution for varibale frequency drives, there's a whole house solution that can basically protect you from the grid and Satic is doing a great job of giving you this general protection that you need. In specifics with my extremely sensitive lients, I am finding that because of the variable frequency drives outs current onto the grounding system it's better to have those appliances fed directly back to the main panels or directly back to a source that you can control to

to keep it isolated from the home electrical system, now we’re getting into you have to have shielded wiring to contain the frequencies on the wire and not blend them together with other wires along the way of your home, you have them isolated, you can use isolation transformers if you must to keep it out of the noise in your house, there’s numerous solutions, but you have this flowing of current on the grounding system from the frequency drives that you need to allow to get out somehow and not contaminate the rest of the house. So now we’re getting into strategies.”

R: "Okay, excellent, thank you! Brian also asks 'Can the wire-in model of the NCB, that is the NCB Pro, can that be used to create an effective backflow preventer on the bonding wire that leads to a water pipe?'" 

Andrew: “You don’t want to do that. You want a different solution for your water pipe, and I wrote a book on this because it’s such a huge problem and it’s such a dangerous situation. Your water pipe, if it is touching the earth is a source of current, a secondary source of current in your home, and I go into detail of what code is allowed to get that thing from not carrying current into house? If you have a wire from your electrical system onto a water pipe and if that water pipe is metal all the way up to a faucet where you or your child or your wife is hands are wet and you’re touching the faucet directly, you are now in the circuit. You’re in danger. My solution is to come up with a way to get the electrical system removed from the water pipes.”

R: “Excellent, and that’s, I think it’s called the water pipe solution, right, Andrew? That’s the e-book that’s available on your website? So thank you for that. Sherri asks ‘Why do I hear variable harmonics on my electrical at night?’ I don’t know what it is to hear harmonics, do either of you gentlemen?”

Andrew: "Yeah, I'm hearing one from my neighbor's bad motor. I know exactly what she's talking about! It's very annoying." 

R: "And what, it's the motor that's causing that or?" 

Andrew: “Yes, and it’s literally, I turn the power off to my house and I can still hear it. So he has to fix his machine and it’s literally the magnetic field of the neighborhood, and we can go into the grounding system is carrying the noise, there’s a magnetic field cast all the way across my house from the grid and inside as are these frequencies, and we can go on and on about the grid problem, but appliances, it really has to be, you have to fix the appliances, the diodes are burning out or whatever, there is some problem with it.”

R: “Excellent, thank you. And along that, with what Andrew just touched on, B.D. I think this is one where you have some more insight, what are the better quality brands for air filters, fridges, stoves, ovens, and other appliances in terms of its contributions of dirty electricity?”

B.D.: “So I think that’s a broader question that a lot of people have been asking where, you know, well what if I’ve got a VFD can the Satic help it? Or if we’ve got this or that. I kind of refer it to how much is bad? So, you know, we wouldn’t eat fast food or something for every meal, it’s bad for our health, we might gain weight, but I think if you’re on a road trip one French fry might be okay because we’re pretty robust creatures, right? And if you were smoking and you didn’t want to have, you know, bad health, do you put a filter on that cigarette? Well, yeah, but it would be better to stop smoking. And so, you know, Andrew and I have spent decades and a lifetime creating solutions to these things, and ideally it would be better if you didn’t have it, and so I would never pick a VFD, right? You would never pick that if you had an opt-out or something, right? Rio-stats and dimmers, notorious, well people like mood lighting, well that’s something where you either have to, do you really want to put a filter on that? As a fellow healthy human being I would say don’t go buy something from B.D., if you can live without it, live without it. And if you want to use it, be intelligent and very, you know, use it sparingly, right? And so there’s some things that are going to do this that we really can’t, it’s pretty getting around having a refrigerator or a freezer, right? And so those aren’t really opt-out things, what brands specifically? I don’t have an intelligent answer for you on that even though you guys know, we have tested thousands of them because every brand makes about 20 or 30 models and not every model is going to be consistent, the older ones are better and…”     

R: "The older ones are better?" 

B.D.: “The simpler ones are better! You know because nowadays it’s got a TV screen in it and it’s on the internet of things, you know, these are a nightmare, you’re going to need a filter for that rascal, you know, opt-out of him. So the less things that it’s going to be turning on and off especially with the screens, we know a couple things that’s a diode, that’s DC, we talked about this in your opening, R, that’s going to create dirty electricity, and then also is it on the internet? Does it want to send a communication to you if you are, you know at the grocery store and you’re out of milk? We don’t want anymore RF in our homes. So really the more simple the product is, oftentimes we’ve found that it has less causes or culprits as we call them for dirty electricity.”

R: "Excellent, thank you! Okay, so 'Does the wiring in my bedroom still carry dirty electricity if I turn off the circuit breaker for that room?' And the answer to that question should be no, right?" 

Andrew: “Unfortunately it’s yes because you’re neutral, there are three wires we’re talking about. The hot is what’s turned off with your breaker, the neutral and the ground are never broken open or cut off unless you do something other than what you already have. So the neutral is tied to all of the other neutrals in the house, any 120 volt appliance running in the home is touching all of the other neutrals always. The grounding conductor is touching the neutral at your main service. There is a diagnostic that I do when I’m trying to find the lowest electric field possible is when I install a double pole outlet switch, basically it’s a light switch that will cut the hot and the neutral at the same time which is allowed by code if it’s off at the same time, you can’t cut them off at different times. When the hot and the neutral go down, there is less electric field. Now the grounding conductor is, this is the real controversial one, there’s an electric field around some grounding conductors because it could be carrying current. Whether to cut the grounding conductor as well with a switch, a three-pole motor switch, is very controversial, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary, you have to measure what is the resulting electric field with all three conductors cut versus just conducting the hot and the neutral. Now all of this has to be done correctly, you have to have an electrician, you have to have the diagnostics done correctly, you never ever want to cut a multi-wire circuit, shared neutrals and all this other stuff, it gets more complex, but you have to understand the layers that we’re talking about.”

R: “Excellent, thank you. Quickly, WM is asking, so he has both Satic and NCB products and I’m imagining their the wire-in versions, and if either of you know of resources that might be able to help him with installation in the Port St. Lucie area of Florida. Is that an area where you gentlemen know of qualified individuals?”

B.D.: "I've got somebody named Josh, Josh Van Clear, he's wonderful, I'll connect you guys." 

R: "Okay, excellent! So WM, you can email into and my customer support team will connect with with B.D.'s reference. Thank you very much, B.D." 

B.D.: "Of course!" 

R: “Okay, so we have a question here, which I’m going to rephrase, but Susie is asking about Stetzer filters and I think it would be helpful to explain the ways in which the product we’re talking about here are different from Stetzer filters. So first off, I think I can jump in on the NCB side which is what the NCB does the Stetzer filters just don’t do, they don’t try to do it, it’s not like we’re saying that NCB is better than Stetzer, it’s just that the NCB does something that Stetzer and Greenwave and Satic don’t do. But B.D. I’m sure a lot of people, right, because when they’re going out looking for a dirty electricity filter solution there are three main options, right? Stetzer, Greenwave and Satic, how are the Satic filters different?”

B.D.: “So they are different, and I don’t want to just come out and say better because I know as, you know, someone in the space of power systems engineer and manufacturer, I know that I stand on the back of giants and I know that as time passes technology progresses and that’s just a part of it. So the main component, so there’s really one component in a Stetzer or Greenwave and it’s a brilliant component, it’s called a X2 capacitor, it’s also called a filter or a rectifier or safety capacitor, I’ve read a lot of stuff between NASA and Texas Instruments, and this doesn’t care if you’re a flat earth or a round earth, on the testing they did to their ability to clean electricity, and so this component is one large X2 and it’s a great product. When we designed the Satic product we really wanted to look at it differently, so rather than using just one X2 in an enclosure, I don’t know if you can see this, we use a lot of components on a circuit board, so we felt that rather than using one large component, some ideas on that if you have one and one fails, how many do you have? And also the way a capacitor works is that it’s a sponge, so when you wring a sponge out, when you put it in water it will expand and it will absorb everything that it can, but you can’t put Niagara Falls into a sponge, it can only hold so much, and that amount that it can hold is the rating of the capacitor, right? So the way they work is they will absorb and then ideally they will clean things and then they release. I don’t want to be technical but I know some of you can understand this, when you have a dripping faucet, the drip starts to build and when the drip gets big enough that the surface tension is overpowered by the weight it drops, that’s how a capacitor works. So it’s a sponge and it fills up and when it’s to its capacity it releases, and when you only have one, you’re kind of getting pretty consistent clap and that can create a magnetic field, and so Satic using similar and almost identical components use lots of them instead of one so that rather than getting a large clap you might get multiple releases over. Then if things have a hard life or you drop things or things get a surge, if one of those things does fail but you have multiple, you’re still at 80 or 90% productivity. So the component sets between Satic and Stetzer are exceedingly similar, we just use lots of little ones instead, and that capacitor is already on the amperage wave. They don’t have a filter on the voltage wave. So the Satic actually has eight filters in it and one of them is dedicated to the voltage wave so it’s not only cleaning the amperage wave, we’re also cleaning the voltage wave. So I have nothing bad to say, it’s a great product, I talked to Dave years ago about maybe adding some components, he wasn’t interested in adding that, that’s kind of why Satic was born in just taking a different look.”

R: “Thank you, that was excellent, that was a really clear explanation, I appreciate that. Lynn asks a question about all of the effects, Lynn is dialing in from Boulder, all of the health effects from dirty electricity and Lynn I just wanted to use your question as an opportunity to tell everyone that along with the replay of today’s webinar that you’ll be receiving tomorrow, you’ll also get a link to download an e-book version of my part of the presentation which includes links to some of the items that I was talking about, and again it was top level, but the work by Dr. Milham, Dr. Havas and Dave Stetzer who B.D. was also just talking about, but Andrew, well actually both of you obviously have experience with sensitivity, Andrew personally and B.D. through your son. What are some of the effects that you have seen in your lives that led you down the paths that you’ve pursued?”

Andrew: "So dirty electricity, specifically, blood sugar spikes, you know, these high frequencies act directly upon bacteria, windows of frequencies do different things, this window up here certain bacteria, this window down here is certain bacteria, so I'm not even going to talk about the human body and cell function, the voltage gates

and all that kind of stuff, that’s, I’m going to talk about bacteria. Mitochondria, this is what the conversation needs to be because the research needs to catch up with what is going on with people’s bodies right now and the illnesses like multiple sclerosis, lyme, mold, all of these other symptoms of electromagnetic exposure because the body’s immune system is broken down and the infections increase and we get certain diseases, it’s an environmental toxin. So personally I have had a lot of Epstein Barr virus, fungal infections, you know, headaches and all of the other common stuff associated with these frequencies, and we’re even going up to Wi-Fi routers if we want to talk about, you know, right on the back of my spine going up and down, the milling sheath, I could feel those little suckers starting to eat away and I have to get away from that thing and go take some CBD and, you know, clean myself out to get that infection under control.”

R: "And B.D., what was your experience with your family in terms of impact of dirty electricity?" 

B.D.: “Yeah, you know, my company was formed because we moved into a house under high-voltage power lines and within a year my son was behaviorally different, still a happy guy but suffering, right, and that’s when I became aware of electrohypersensitivity syndrome. And for him specifically, it was an uneasy feeling or anxiety almost like you could hear, you know, a high pitched whistle or a horn or a vibration or something, like how do you find a piece of that? How do you find calm in that? How do you find good deep rest in that? And over the years, you know, we’ve got over 100,000 PowerPerfect installed and we’ve talked to so many people that describe their symptoms, and you know, Andrew is brilliant he knows at the mitochondria level, I don’t, I just know what people say and I know what they’re feeling, and it’s angst, it’s dis-ease, it’s discomfort, it’s anxiety and pressure and a lack of calm and a lack of peace and buzzing in the ears and, you know, when you come home from a hard day’s work and if anything we want peace, we want calm, and people with EHS they really suffer to find calm. Like Andrew can hear it and feel it when his neighbor’s pump turns on! I have to laugh because there’s a part of me that kind of wishes I was sensitive in a way so I can speak in first person but yet I’m so grateful that I’m not. And so if you’re suffering our hearts totally goes out and know that people like Andrew and myself and R where we dedicate our lives to try and find peace for you because we do have people in our lives that suffer, and I can’t imagine a life where I can’t turn something irritable off almost like a toothache that doesn’t go away. So those are the symptoms that I get told the most, and when they use filters or find it or turn something off then the words that I hear most commonly are quiet, calm and peaceful. That’s what we want for all of us, you guys.”

R: “For sure. And we will back to the more technical questions here in a minute but I just want to take this opportunity, Andrew, you talk about your sensitivity, I don’t know if you use the word blessing as something quite positive, am I phrasing that correctly?”

Andrew: “Yeah, I’ve come to appreciate that without this challenge I would’ve not left the matrix, I would’ve still been in the world of vanity and, you know, so through the challenge I’ve had to completely re-evaluate my purpose in life and learning new skills and it is a blessing because without it I wouldn’t be where I am now.”

R: “Excellent, thank you, yeah and I believe you, and I remember this from Overpowered that I wrote with my father, we talk about EHS being the canaries in the coal mine and Andrew I believe you’ve used the exact same metaphor, right, that the people who have the sensitivities like you do are canaries in the coal mine.”

Andrew: “Yeah, and I often put a different wrinkle on that canary, a lot of people see the canary as the weakest most frail thing, so we’re going to take this very weak and frail 

thing down into the mine so when it dies everyone can just go ‘ah look at how stupid and weak that thing was, we’re going to stay here and get our work done’, no, it is the thing that is healthy and is effected by a poison, you know, carbon monoxide, you can’t smell, can’t taste it, can’t see it, it’s an invisible disease, just like electrohypersensitivity. So when people start going down, there’s a poison around and I consider it a blessing because wouldn’t it be nice to know what it would take to get rid of cancer before stage 4? I see all of these people all of a sudden, you know, I’ve got stage 4 cancer, well what did you do up until that point? Did you know that you could change your life and not end up stage 4? Well that’s the blessing in electrical sensitivity is now we can remove all of these toxins.”

R: “Okay, so thank you both for that, I really appreciate that part of the conversation here. Moving on, Sameer asks ‘Is there a solution for reducing dirty electricity for backup generators? I understand that the Greenwave policy is to unplug filters while the generator is running.’ And I’ll just say that Cathy Cooke, who is SYB’s senior EMF specialist whom many of our attendees know, she was just at my house doing an assessment and I refused to turn on the generator, I was like I don’t even want to know because, you know, when the power goes out I need to be able to work so I need to turn on the generator and I just didn’t want to know, but what, gentlemen, can be done about dirty electricity from generators? And just to be clear the reason why I didn’t want Cathy to measure because generators are really big sources of this stuff. So yeah, what can be done?”

B.D.: “So generator power is as dirty as it gets boys and girls, let’s face it, right? So I’d call generator power number one and inverter power number two, and just the way that a motor cycles, it goes up and down, so as loads are turned on, the generator will come up to match that load. So you do want some filtering when a generator is on but here’s why a lot of the time they are not compatible because a capacitor becomes a phantom load, what does that mean? It means that it creates apparent power, what’s apparent power? It’s there, you can see it, it’s not real power, it’s kind of like foam on a beer, let’s say half of your glass of beer is beer and the other half is foam, well what’s the foam? What’s there, you can see it, but is it beer? It’s not really beer, that’s what apparent power is, it’s there, it’s apparent, but it’s not real power. That’s the difference between real and apparent power, one you can read on a meter, you can see it in your glass but it’s not doing anything. So what can happen, less is more now, you do not want a bunch of Satic’s or Greenwave’s or any filters plugged in with your generator because it’s going to create a phantom load and your generator is really going to phase up. So, Satic obviously is the lightest little load there, we’re actually thinking of making one now that is generator specific to have a very light load. So we cavoite that with if your generator is really only running one or two very small things then the least filter or no filter is the best. If the generator is really rolling to beat the band, it’s running and air conditioner and it’s running your TV and it’s running your Hi-Fi system and your air conditioner and your freezer then a couple of filters are fine. And then I would suggest if you’re using Satic, Greenwave or Stetzer, just one on A and just one on B so that we are getting some filtering without causing too large of a phantom load, that’s why they argue.”

R: "And Andrew, anything to add?" 

Andrew: “This is a really complex topic. If it’s a backup generator, is it feeding the whole home? Is your wiring in your home RX with no shielding at all? Yeah it’s going to be a disaster! So the house has to have shielded wiring to contain these frequencies so you can only deal with certain loads, certain breakers, that are critical during a crisis, and try to keep the loads out of your sleeping areas, you know, just keep it only where you need it. Now living off grid, it’s a really really hard life and how to figure this out, but I’m just going to say in general you need all shielded wiring period if you’re using AC and generators, and that’s a good place to start, and then talk to B.D. about the filtering.”

R: “Right, and just to clarify for our attendees and for myself, shielded wiring doesn’t kill dirty electricity, right? Because it will still conduct along the wires but it will stop emanations from along the line, am I kind of explaining that correctly or?

Andrew: In general, you want to suppress the electric field and that will be contained inside of the shielding. If it’s wired properly the magnetic field should be very small and contained around the wire, so if the electric field is reaching out into the room and inside the electric field you have all of this noise and you’re standing in that it’s not going to be good, so if you can contain all of that inside of the wire in general you’re going to be much better off.”

R: “Thank you. Okay, Dana asks ‘I want to build a clean home, clean electricity, no Wi-Fi, all wired, I want to keep all of the toxins out of the home, paint, cabinets, like that. Is this going to be affordable? I want to find a builder who wants to learn how to do this and offer this to others.’ So I’ll start because I’ve had a couple of conversations with Andy Pace from Green Design Center, I almost got that wrong, Green Design Center, and former board member of the Building Biology Institute, and last year he gave a talk at last year’s Healthier Tech Summit and he appeared on the Healthier Tech podcast and Stephanie if you could get Dana the link to that episode that would be great. But one of the nuggets that he shared is that if you’re working with quality materials and you’re starting from scratch, the cost to build a low-toxin home and a regular home is about the same, and so that means if you’re actually going for quality materials and you’re going to quality low-tox materials versus quality regular materials, the square foot cost of the construction is going to be equivalent. Now to bring it back specifically to the EMF and electrical side, does building new construction with considerations for EMFs from the electrical system, does that really effect the cost in a meaningful way or is it just a matter of planning?”

Andrew: “The conversation has to be completely re-shaped. The existing house wiring is S-H-I-T right now. We live in a completely destroyed environment, so to think that everything is okay is where we’re starting is crazy talk. What is the cost to our lives? That’s the real conversation. To have a healthy home should be the minimum, right now we have sick homes so you spend whatever we have to to get a healthy home and then we start life. So just to re-phrase the whole conversation, it’s not talking to somebody ‘well the house is fine right now, we use one add-on’s to make it better’, no no no, the house right now is destroyed.”

R: “Understood, and agreed. The modern economy doesn’t value a lot of things that are just thrown into negatively extraneities..”

Andrew: “It’s a race to the bottom, the minimal amount of code compliance, the cheapest particles, the fastest, the cheapest, it’s all a competition in the marketplace for the cheapest thing and that’s the worst health.”

R: “And bringing it back specifically, right, because in terms of planning the electrical side of that home, the only real different in material is, Andrew, unless there’s something I’m not seeing, right, is you advocate for the use of shielded wiring in the home, everything else is the same, right? It’s just a matter of planning out the circuits correctly and so forth.”

Andrew: “Where you locate the service, where the panels are, where you run the wires, all of these kinds of things, it’s a logistical thing that you do once and then you forget about it, and then the electrical wires you get it run correctly, you do it once and then you forget about it. And of course the dimmers and the LED’s and all the other kinds of crap you just don’t install. So a lot of this is that you get it one and done.”

R: “Yeah, and if you’re doing it at the start, that is you’re planning new construction, there’s basically no impact on cost, the real impact on cost is if you’re trying to overhaul existing construction because then you’ve got to start tearing out walls and re-locating circuit breakers and so on and so forth. B.D., it looks like you have something to add here?”

B.D.: “I do! So one of the major culprits of dirty electricity is wiring errors. And again I don’t mean to beat this up, but, the best way to fix something is not by buying of filters, the best way to have something is to not have dirty electricity, right? So there are nine different ways, nine different variations on wiring in an outlet and only one is correct. So I have never seen a home, new construction that didn’t have at least one outlet where the neutral and the ground were not switched, bonded, etc., and that’s just notorious cause for dirty electricity. Now you use a filter that’s going to exacerbate the problem. One of the writers would ask ‘Hey I’ve got a Satic and the numbers are still really high at the wire-in’, I can almost guarantee it’s a bonded neutral-ground issue. And so, you know, yeah the way we wire homes and 60 Hertz and all of that is a completely different conversation but working within the framework that we have, making sure that at subpanels the neutral and the ground are not bonded, not bonding those whenever you can code-wise, making sure that all of your outlets are wired correctly because as Andrew was talking earlier, he kept calling it the neutral-to-neutral-to-neutral, and I call it the common-the-common-the-common because it always reminds you that yeah I’ve turned off the circuit to my home but the neutral, the common, touches everything. 

And here’s some examples that I have from back in my childhood. When my mom would come home or would be home after school, she would vacuum and it would put lines in the TV of Gilligan’s Island. Now my mom didn’t climb behind the TV to plug in the vacuum, she plugged it in over there. Well clean power came in on the phase and was disrupted by the motor and now dirty electricity went where? On the neutral, on the common, because that’s the return path, you excite the motor on phase and you go back on the neutral. So where does the dirty electricity really live? It lives on the neutral. And so Satic products that wire into the panel, and not to give a pitch on stuff, I really want to help people, we’re the only product that I know of that focuses on the neutral because that’s where the dirty electricity lives. That’s almost where you can avoid it by turning off the breaker to your room, as Andrew talked about, and if I send clean power in, I’m degraded by the use of a device and I get the dirty power out. Well what’s out? Out is the neutral, out is the common, and so really that’s where the vast majority of the dirty electricity lives because, again, it comes in clean and it’s degraded by the use of the devices and then out. We know two things about electricity, we learned them in 5th grade, they are always going to choose the path of least resistance, always, it can’t help it, and it’s always going to find the way to ground. So if you have a bonded neutral or ground that electricity is always going to take the easiest path to get to the ground, that’s why I love and am a fan of Andrew’s products because I just have not seen a home where they got it right on every single outlet. And so when you’re building a home just make sure you demand that each one is checked as they build it.”

Andrew: “So consider if you’re electrically sensitive, probably 99% of electric sensitive people have started with a wiring problem in their house, so thank you B.D. for pointing out and having the maturity to be able to say your DE is going to be worse and you have to fix your wiring first, that’s a really mature individual is putting his health before his process. I do electrical work all the time and finding, you know, shared neutrals and circuits that are creating a giant magnetic field across the entire room and I’m looking at the people in the house and I see the dark circles under their eyes and we’re perfectly fine, there’s nothing wrong here, and just think for a second! How many diseases, how many ailments, how many relationships have been destroyed just by wiring problems that are never found generationally?”

R: “Wow, yeah. Thank you. And B.D., I’m glad you found that button! Okay, and so we’re still getting into a ton more questions here and we’ll get through as many as we can but it looks like we’re not going to be able to hit all of them, this is obviously a really popular topic for people so, again, thank you both gentlemen for taking the time out and sharing your knowledge with all of us. Okay, anonymous asks ‘I live in a brand new high rise building in Manhattan, my sibling lives in an old apartment building built in the 1800s, does the building location, the era the building was built or the presence of businesses on the bottom floors, do all of these impact the amount of dirty electricity coming into apartments on higher floors into medium or bigger-sized apartment buildings?’ And so I’ll just start by answering, um, yes everything is a variable when it comes to dirty electricity, but the part of that question that I thought was particularly interesting was the age question. So what in general do you find in terms of older construction versus newer construction in terms of the prevalence of dirty electricity and, obviously, wiring errors and wiring standards that might cause it?”

Andrew: “You have aluminum wiring in really old buildings if it hasn’t been upgraded. Anything that has been in there for more than 20 years definitely has some terminals that haven’t been tightened enough because they’re coming loose, you have rats eating insulation off of things, I would say if you’re in an old building just move out.”

R: “But, if you’re looking for a fridge, buy an old one! B.D., anything to add to that?”

B.D.: “It’s all the same conversation, right? So if we’re really looking for wiring errors as one of our major things then the more opportunity for wiring error, you know, become self-evident. Then again I will say that if you can’t move, if you are really stuck, then taking the cover off and on an outlet and looking in there with a flashlight, be careful, obviously, don’t stick a screwdriver or your tongue in it, but take a looksee is rather benign and not that challenging. And so, you know, heal thyself a little bit, you know, take what power from what is within your reasonable power and do! Look at your outlets, get a little outlet tester and Satic’s demo kits, we always send an outlet tester in there because people always go well what the heck is this for, well you might not need a filter silly goose, you’re neutral and ground might just be reversed, switch that and you’re off to the races and send that filter back. So yes, wherever there’s more opportunities for incidents of error is going to be worse, but it’s all the same conversation no matter where you live.”

R: “Excellent. Thank you both. Anonymous says that ‘Building Biology Institute provides their graduates who would be the consultants that we hire to help us to provide a directory of EMF-informed electricians..’ So yes, the Building Biology Institute does provide a directory of both building biology and environmental consultants and electromagnetic radiation specialists who, so the BBEC, they may not know because at the Building Biology Institute, you can do building biology and environmental consulting side and then optionally you can choose to do the electromagnetic radiation specialist unless you’ve been through the EMRS program you may well not know anything about diagnosing or remediating dirty electricity, so you’re going to want to go off of the EMRS list that the Building Biology Institute publishes. Now when it comes to the NCB I know that we have a public directory of consultants that Andrew has taught and qualified and we have that up on the Shield Your Body website, so those are people that could help you with the installation of the NCB Pro. And B.D., does Satic have a directory of experts that work with the wire-in’s?”

B.D.: “We do! You know this is great, this is a learning curve for me, this should be on our website. So Satic Certified dealers and installers, we do, they need to be listed on our website, currently they are not. So you’ll have to reach out.”

R: “Okay. Yeah, so all you have to do is contact you folks and you’ll connect them with the closest resource.”

Andrew: “Or really quick, the NCB plug, you can stick it in the wall, you can use it for grounding mats and bedsheets, easy. The wired version, do not buy it until, well you can buy it whenever you want, do not try and install it without a qualified person, electrician. You need to do everything else first. Solve all of the code problems, fix all of the wiring, do everything you possibly can, and when that is not enough, that’s when the NCB Pro wire-in is the solution when the code cannot help you.”

R: “Yeah, and I should also add that every purchase of the NCB Pro includes a half hour consultation with Andrew or one of the certified, qualified, NCB Pro qualified experts that Andrew has trained. And you can use that to, you know, schedule your electrician or installer also on the phone and they can work through all the details and questions you might have. Andrew has also prepared, I believe it’s a 78-page guide, which A you’re the customer you don’t have to read it and B you don’t have to read the whole thing either, but that answers all of the questions that could come up when it comes to installing and making the maximum value out of your NCB Pro. Thank you! So ‘Does the infrastructure below a street one lives in a rural location effect the amount of dirty electricity entering a home?’ I mean the answer is yes to everything basically, does anything impact the amount of dirty electricity entering a home? The answer is yes, if it’s connected to the grid. And actually, honestly, it can be other things that aren’t connected to the grid like the presence of Wi-Fi routers, I mean those are connected to the grid but I’m talking about the power, radio signals can get picked up on these wires and contribute to the harmonics that are being transferred to the dirty electricity, am I saying that correctly, you guys?”

Andrew: "Close enough." 

R: “Thank you! So yeah, so anything that’s connected to the grid and anything that communicates wirelessly can contribute to the amount of dirty electricity you have, and you don’t know it unless you measure it, right? Because it doesn’t mean you have really high levels, it doesn’t mean that you have really low levels. Also I would say based on my knowledge, and I’m not an expert like you two gentlemen, just because, like, you could live in the middle of nowhere and have very little infrastructure and have no cell service and things like that, and so you’re living in what is essentially a low-EMF environment and your dirty electricity could still be really high. Is that a scenario that can happen?”

Andrew: “Well, Dave Stetzer, that’s why he has started his whole business because his grid is downstream of a gigantic milling operation or something, drilling, earth, moving, whatever, and has destroyed the grid because of all the dirty electricity, so you may live in rural America but you may live downstream of something horrible.”

R: “Yeah, okay, thank you. Okay so this is the same person who asked a question earlier, ‘If we aren’t supposed to use the NCB on a sauna plug, where do we use it because I’m confused.’ So the difference here, and I just want to make sure we’re talking about, and I hope B.D. is still in the room we just lost his camera, I want to make sure we’re all using, that we’re clear about the terms because with the NCB there’s the NCB which you plug into an outlet and then there’s the NCB Pro which is what gets wired into the grounding conductor in your home’s electrical system, and the NCB which is the simple plug-and-play version, that is designed to be used with grounding products, and that’s different from a product that also is a ground, right, because all appliances have a ground but those aren’t grounding products. But things like grounding axe, these are the types of things that are, and we’re talking about grounding products, and that’s what you use the regular plug-and-play NCB for. The NCB Pro, Andrew this is where, and I’m sorry just to underscore, you’re not supposed to use it with appliances like your refrigerator or your stove or a sauna, the plug-and-play version. Now, Andrew, this is where the Pro comes in so can you explain how the Pro would work in this scenario?”

Andrew: “Right, so if you turned off all of the breakers to your house and there’s still current coming in on your grounding conductor, you’re not the source. Where is the source? The source is coming from outside of your home, I call it a foreign source. So how are you going to stop that current on your grounding system?”

R: "Um, with the NCB Pro?" 

Andrew: "Exactly." 


R: “There we go! Excellent. Thank you very much! Okay, this is a good question, ‘If dirty electricity runs on the wires, is it an electric field? What if you have shielded wiring? Electric fields dissipate within two to three feet from the wires, so does the influence of dirty electricity dissipate the same?’ Yeah I know it’s a broad question but I think it reflects an understanding that a lot of people who are watching might have, so let’s get into that, is dirty electricity an electric field?”

Andrew: “There are two components, you have a voltage wave and that is creating the electric field, so there’s a yes. Everywhere you have an electric field there’s a voltage wave, and in the voltage wave there’s little tiny blips and spikes and stuff on the voltage wave. There’s also a current component to this, so variable frequency drives create a lot of noise because the way they are pulling the current they are messing up the sinewave of the current wave, and how these are interacting is very complex and I don’t understand all of it, but I’m going to answer quickly, yes, in general you get rid of the fields, you’re standing next to the wires, you’re not going to be effected as much. Now, when you get into propagation of higher frequencies, will that travel beyond the electric wave? I don’t know.”

R: “B.D., anything there you want to add? It’s looks like you’re stewing it.”

B.D.: “Yeah, Andrew nailed it, right? So the electrical wave comes from voltage and the magnetic field comes from amperage, and so if you shield it it seems like you have reduced the electric field in proximity, it doesn’t disappear it but it does lessen it.”

R: “Thank you. Gah, we’re still getting more questions coming in, there’s no way we’re going to be able to get to all of these! Okay, so Sharon asks ‘I have the Satic plug-in’s, can they be plugged into a GFCI outlet? I saw online if there is a leak it could trigger the GFCI outlet and that GFCI’s are not compatible with a surge protector.”

B.D.: “That is a fun and great question. And there are several answers to that. Oftentimes they are fine, but what we’re doing with ground is if we don’t want someone to get shocked, right? That’s really why you have it, right? You don’t want ground to carry any current, we’ve talked about that at great length, but there is a chance to drop the blow dryer in the tub. Some of the GFCI’s are actually smart and then you wouldn’t want to use a Satic one with it because you wouldn’t want to interrupt that signal. You would want to allow it to do it. So the answer is the brand, so if you can use it in another outlet I think that would be wiser, although in 99% of the models that I’ve seen, they should be compatible and fine, but since I can’t know every single model, I’ll answer in best practices, avoid it if you can. Use a different outlet. And remember too that we really only have two phases in our house, we have A-to-neutral which should be half of our outlets and we have B-to-neutral which should be half of our outlets. And so getting a Stetzer, Greenwave or Satic on an A is going to have a limited effect on all of A and then on all of B. So, you can be pretty judicious or pretty liberal I guess is the opposite of that on which one you choose to put it in because it really should effect that whole phase logistically.”

R: "Excellent. Andrew, anything you want to chime in with?" 

Andrew: “Yeah, the surge protection versus GFCI, I don’t see a compatibility problem with using a filter on it. I mean, I don’t think the filter system is going to shunt so much to the grounding conductor that it’s going to be more than five milliamps, I would have a hard time believing that.”

B.D.: “I agree. I read an article that one of them was kind of smart and it literally communicates almost over the Internet of Things and then that particular model might have an issue but the issue that 99.99% of us use? No not at all. They trip so easily that the Satic wouldn’t interfere with that at all.”

R: “Now this person also mentioned that Sharon is the customer of your lightbulbs and she has one in the lamp by her chair and it is so much better then the LED I was using, so B.D. I thought this was, well A I wanted to share that feedback with you so well done, and then B give you a chance to talk about the lightbulbs. Why does dirty electricity effect lightbulbs?”

B.D.: “Necessity! Right? Necessity! One of the biggest culprits, and we talk about the culprits, so there are some things that, you know, we can live without, that if you can live without it, it’s making you sick or use it judiciously and turn it off. Well how do you get around lights? You know, you’re not going to go kicking around stuff in the dark, and the incandescent lightbulb that Edison gave us 130 years ago was glorious, it’s a resistor, it cleaned electricity, they lasted 100 years, they were cheap, they didn’t go into landfill, I mean it was a great product but boy I challenge you today to find a good incandescent lightbulb these days. And so we know A, the first switch was to CFL, compact fluorescent lamp, and fluorescent lamps cause massive amounts of dirty electricity, harmonics, distortion, interference, electric fields, magnetic fields, the whole gambit, the whole list of things that could be called dirty electricity, it makes them all, and then they took that away and just said we’re teasing about that because it was awful, let’s give you an LED which is a light-emitting diode. What’s a diode? Well it turns it into DC, it shuts the door and so they’re constantly strobing. So LED’s are strobing at 60 Hertz, it’s just going so fast that your brain can’t really catch it, there’s no way that that’s good for you, certainly not good for the sinewave on alternating current. So the reason why we make lightbulbs is because we just said gosh do we want to sell more filters or, again, my personality, can we try and stop it? Can we try and create something different that doesn’t do this? So what this little guy does is that he has a little capacitor in him and a little filter so that he can suck in and hold a charge to limit that clapping and then it’s got a tiny Stetzer filter in it, it has a tiny X2 capacitor in it in every single one. It’s a pain in the butt to make and it costs us about a dollar more so they’re kind of expensive, but there is literally a Stetzer filter in every single lightbulb that we make. And we make them because we had to make them.”

R: "Wow, so they don't strobe and they emit less EMF? Or they cause less dirty electricity pollution on the system?" 

B.D.: “That’s right. So on our filter and on the Greenwave filter and on the Stetzer filter, when you plug in any brand X LED, like on our meters I’ve got Lowes and Home Depot lamps in our demo room and they go right to 1500 or 1600 on all three of the main meters, right? There’s three of us in the pool, it’s Stetzer, Greenwave and Satic. And all three of our meters are fairly similar and it pings them all. Our lamp in a low-EMF, low-EMI environment should do nothing, but in a high-EMF environment it will actually bring it down. So when we’re at trade shows and, you know, we’re getting 2,000 readings on our meters and then we turn our lights on it brings it down because it has an X2 it has a small filter in each one.”

R: “Excellent, thank you! So here’s a question that I wanted to make sure, and we have 50 questions in the queue and we’re not, we’re going to wind down here in a few minutes because you gentlemen have been so generous with your time, but I do want 

to hit up a few more here, so Maurice asks ‘I use a direct wire from my bedsheet to an outside ground, do I need an NCB?”

Andrew: Boy, this really opens up a can of worms. How can I answer this quickly? I would say let’s do a consult and I can tell you one, how to do this better, but if you’re just going to draw a ground rod out in the yard and plug it to your bed and you’re going to dissipate your electric fields that way you’re also leaving yourself open to lightning strikes and whatever else you’ve got and the whole world directly attached to your body. And if that bedsheet becomes attached to anything inside of your home it becomes a circuit and it’s going to have even more current on your bedsheet then before then if you attach it to your own home’s grounding system. Now I understand why you did it out there because there’s less noise out in your ground rod, now if you’re happy with that and you want to keep doing it, great who am I to say, but if you’re not happy with it and you want a better solution there are recs and I put together a terrific presentation on how to do this.”

R: “And that’s on our YouTube channel, so I don’t know if Stephanie knows that link but Steph if you could find that on our YouTube channel please share it in the chat pod. Thank you, Andrew.”

B.D.: "I always learn things from Andrew!" 

Andrew: “Yeah, obviously the question is coming from somebody who know what the hell they’re talking about. But the code says under 50 volts it’s not required to be grounded so the low-voltage side of that transformer is no more than 24 volts so that’s under 50 volts, well that’s not required to be grounded. Some transformers literally have one of the current-carrying conductors tied to the frame to tie to the metal frame, so I’m finding an amp of current on a coolant line, an amp of current on the grounding system coming from the furnace. Obviously this is a health threat, it’s not correct, it’s not code, so I tell the client or the electrician look like is not code and remove the grounding conductor because you have current, you have objectional current, it’s 250.6 code violation of what’s happening here. We’re witnessing a crime, what are you going to do electrician? You either cut that wire or if you’re worried that it needs some sort of fault protection then the NCB provides an effective ground fault path. So you install the NCB there.”

R: “Thank you. Okay so, ‘Could you go into additional things, business travelers, people who are travelling city to city around the globe most weeks should carry in their suitcase in addition to these filters?’ And I definitely want both of you gentlemen to answer or chime in on this question, but I’ll also take this opportunity to mention Cathy Cooke’s course which is called Fly Healthier but it’s all about travelling and building up the resilience of your body in order to deal with the stresses of travelling and EMF protection is a part of that, but she goes into a lot of things in terms of how you can prepare your body to make it more resilient for travel, and that’s on the Healthier Tech site and Stephanie if you could please post a link to Cathy’s Fly Healthier course into the chat pod I would appreciate that. And then Andrew what do you recommend because, I don’t know how much flying you do, but you go on the road.”

Andrew: “Yes, so really briefly, colloidal silver you can snort up your nose, put it in your throat to get rid of the exposures of everything flying around your house or the air and sore throats immediately, and methylene blue, it dissolves, it gets rid of urinary tract infections and many other horrible things going on right now, methylene blue is one of the first pharmaceutical drugs ever created and one of the safest things you can take it, if you get a snake bite but it’s also extremely good for certain diseases, and of course clove oil is great to put on mosquito bites, and there’s one other thing I’m blanking out on and I’ll chime in after B.D. if I think of it.”

R: "Sure. B.D., how do you travel with your son?" 

B.D.: “I always learn things from Andrew, I’m writing that stuff down just so you know. I’m a not only a panelist I’m a participant! So we don’t travel without a couple of filters, like even when we’re sitting and you’re waiting to board the plane and you know that could be an hour or two because you’re on a layover, you’re sitting on a chair where they’re all powered now, right? I challenge you to find a seat that doesn’t have USB ports which are really super convenient but now you’re sitting on it? You might as well put my son on a hot plate, right? So we go ahead and we do two things, A we travel with our filters. One of the things too, one of the ways that you can know when you plug your phone into that to charge the base of your charger gets really hot. Like I challenge you to just start being cognizant of this and when your charger is getting hot you know wow the DE is off the rails, right? And that’s just an indicator in our lives, when your phone charges slow and hot and not quickly and cool, you know, okay? So that’s an indicator. So that’s number one we travel with our filters, we plug the unit right into our seat and then we plug our phone or iPod or whatever into that and my son can literally feel it the minute you plug this in. Number two, we take pieces of FieldShield. So this is a small travel piece here, it’s got the little grounding cord and my son’s is exactly the shape of his suitcase. So he puts it in first at the bottom, he loads his gear in so that if he needs to sit on his tush when we get to the hotel room or whatever, he jumps on his pad and plugs it in, puts it with a filter, in fact he actually does the filter first and then grounds it through the filter, and I think that Andrew and I probably have a market opportunity here for anything that’s going to be grounded, anything that’s going to touch your body or whatever else, because you know that I use and love Andrew’s products, that might be a wise one-two punch right there to do some tests on that, but we just travel with our little num-num’s, you know, how easy is it to carry a filter? They’re UL listed, you can get it on a plane and a little tiny piece of FieldShield for your tush and your bed.”

R: "Num-num's and tush, we now have that recorded, B.D.! Haha."

Andrew: “So RF shielding of course and hydrogen. Mercola has these little tablets that if you’re doing a week-long tour, taking hydrogen capsules, the tablets that you drop into water and a minute and a half later you drink that, you know, it keeps the mitochondrial health really well, and also methylene blue keeps the electron chain transfer going solid, so whatever is going on in your body like chronic fatigue syndrome or whatever, you’ll have this other energy source that keeps you going. Jet lag is another major major radiation hit so you need to have these other things repairing you.”

R: “And Andrew both, I believe I’m correct when I’m saying, both you and, because you mentioned RF shielding, both you and Cathy travel with EMF shielded ponchos, is that one of the forms of RF shielding that you’re talking about?”

Andrew: “Well if I’m actually on a plane I have a little LED dental outfit and a hat and a skirt and then an RF overcoat.”

R: "What's it like going through TSA for you?" 

Andrew: "I take it all off so that, you know, but then I build a fort in the hotel. So basically I build a fort with my RF shielding." 

R: “Okay, got it. Thank you. Okay this is a good one to end on, and you know we’ve been going for an hour and a half, and thank you again gentlemen you’ve been so generous with your time, I really appreciate it. So this one is a little open-ended but also I think quite useful, Barbara asks ‘So you test each outlet with a meter and then need a filter for each outlet, correct?’ So I’d like to use this question as an opportunity to explain how your plug-in’s work but then also where the wire-in sort of fits into the solution. So B.D., let’s start with you.”

B.D.: “Yeah, so when my son was ill, you know, the Greenwave and the Stetzer were both on the market, and this was about 18 years ago now, 17 years ago, 2008, do the math, I looked at both of those and I didn’t want the answer to be plug in a $30 device in every single outlet of my home. What happens with the capacitor too is that you can get into leading voltage, well what does that mean? I don’t want to be technical but I’m going to be, so you’ve got the amps and the volts and one should be a little bit behind the other and you don’t want to get the other guy in front, that’s called leading voltage, and capacitors will do that and that’s not good for the rest of your things, that’s not good for your house, that’s not good for you microwave, that’s not good for the other things in your house, right? So that’s not a good solution. We put lots of little filters in each one and, again, one should effect everything a little bit on that whole phase. So if we’ve got two bedrooms separated by some distance and they’re both on A, let’s say, when you put a good filter in one of the bedrooms the EMI reading in the other bedroom will go down unless you’re creating the EMI in that room. So that’s how you can also know where your culprits are. So if I know that I’m on an A and your breakers go like this they go like A/B/A/B/A/B, it’s not A and B, that’s a common misnomer, they cascade, if you put one on A and it doesn’t make the other A outlets go down then you know that it’s not from the grid and you’re making it. So one of the ways that you can find out where your culprits are are by identifying the rooms like that or turning the breakers off one at a time and cascading and going down and finding out which rooms your culprits are so you can jetisen that rascal. The easiest way and the way that we’ve really diverged from Stetzer and Greenwave completely are two things that people consider weaknesses for our product, number one it’s expensive, they are, and number two they have to be wired in at the panel because we couldn’t find a way to effective know that we’re touching every single drop of electricity in that house. Where do you do that? You do it at the distribution panel, so unfortunately it has to be wired in. And secondly it’s expensive because there’s 36 X2’s, there’s effectively 36 Greenwaves, Stetzers, Satics in the wire-in unit. So if you did a cost analysis it’s the same. So two things happen, you’ve got a ton of filters you put it at the panel the way the wiring, but with ours there’s one wire on A, one wire on B and one wire on neutral, you’ve got it all, you’ve got Power Perfect. There you go.”

R: “And Andrew I want to hand that off to you, but B.D., I want to apologize because I didn’t know but you’re saying that Satic is the only company that has a wire-in filter?”

B.D.: “That I know of! And we’re the only one that I know of that touches the voltage wave. Everybody focuses on the amperage wave and that’s 99% of it.”

R: "So the other manufacturers only create plug-in filters then? Just to be clear." 

Andrew: "Well there's Sinetamer." 

B.D.: “Yeah, Sinetamer and RXDNA. So there are a couple. But of the big three, we’re the only wire-in. So Sinetamer, RXDNA and I think there’s a new kid on the block, Andrew, there are other people. Satic’s divergence, again, is two major divergences from there, number one we do address the voltage wave and we really focus on the neutral because the way that devices are powered you power the device, the energy is degraded by the use of the device, back on the neutral, you’ve got to get that neutral, and again I’m going to wrap before I hand it to Andrew, oftentimes that neutral ends up on the ground where you don’t want it and that’s why I’m a huge fan of Andrew’s products.”

R: “Excellent, thank you! Now Andrew as I hand this off to you, I want to take this moment to sort of highlight another difference between the NCB and DE filters like the Satic, right, because you can get a Satic meter and just plug it into the outlet and see how the issue is, but with the problems that the NCB is designed to address, that isn’t so possible, right? There is just no simple meter that you can use.”

Andrew: “For about 50 bucks you can get an amp clamp, well let’s do this right, SLT, buy their orange micro-amp meter, you spend 150 bucks but you get a great device that even electricians aren’t going to have sensitivity. So all you have to do is clamp over a wire and the wire, if it’s carrying a current, this thing can measure down to microamps and that’s what you want to do, so that’s probably the best tool to use.”

R: "So then what do you, like, does that plug into the outlet or how do you get the actual measurement?" 

Andrew: “If you’ve got a professional and he’s got all of the equipment, you’ve got a fluke 287 or 289 that you can actually test or plug it into that and then you see how much current is going to flow if I do something, if I put this grounding mat here and I touch it, am I in a circuit? That’s the most important thing, you can use the amp clamp around the little grounding wire, that’s the cheapest way to do it, but there are other factors, but that’s just a simple answer.”

R: “Great, thank you. Thank you very much, Andrew. So gentlemen, we still have a lot because they’re coming in faster then we’re answering them so we still have 50 questions in the queue, we may have to do a part two at some point so I’ll be in touch if we’re able to get that on the calendar. To answer a question that has popped up a bunch, and I said this at the beginning, but this is recorded and you will get the link to the recording tomorrow, it will come from Zoom and it will have the link to the replay and it will also have a link to download the e-book version of my 10-minute presentation that I started everything off with, and a final reminder that at the store, and if you go to you’ll see all of the dirty electricity products that we have which are the NCB’s and the Satic’s, and those are now on sale 20% off tonight and tomorrow so this is a great opportunity to, because as B.D. pointed out, these are not inexpensive products they are complex pieces of engineering, and so this is a great opportunity to save some money on those purchases. I hope everyone found value in, and this is one of the most mysterious areas of EMF, and I’ve been doing this work now for 12 years and I know a lot more about DE now then I did then, but it’s still one of the most difficult and complex and mysterious areas when it comes to both understanding EMF and understanding the sources of it and understanding how to mitigate it. So I really want to thank these two gentlemen, Andrew and B.D., for taking the time to come together and have this in-depth conversation. Thank you both so much!”

Andrew: “And thank you, R. This community that you are building is, we die if we’re alone, so everyone that is on this call that is listening to my voice right now, thank yourself for whatever you’ve gone through and in order to be here so we can support each other. We’re way too alone in this world and we’re starting this parallel culture and we have to support each other because we’re not going to make it unless we have this pat on the back by another person, we can’t just live alone because we can’t live that way unless we’re going to die, so thank you R for bringing us all together.”

R: “Thank you, Andrew, that was very kind. I appreciate that. And yes, B.D., thank you for dialing in from the retreat from, where are you? Utah or something?”

B.D.: "Montana." 

R: “Montana, yeah! Pretty much the same thing. So, yeah, this was such a great, it’s so hard to get this type of information and what we just covered in the last 90 minutes I just think it’s really fantastic and the people in the room, we’re seeing some really nice feedback coming through and I think this YouTube archive is also going to get a fair amount of views. So thank you both so much! Thank you everyone for tuning in for taking the time to attend! Remember the sale that is going on now it’s a discount that’s automatically applied in your cart, so you don’t need a coupon code and you’ll see the discount code to add the products to your cart. So thank you everyone and we will see you again in a few weeks when we have Rob Metzinger from Safe Living Technologies coming on to talk about measuring 5G, so keep your eyes out on your inbox for the invitation to the webinar. Thank you everyone and have a great rest of your day!”

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