Mike Sea: “This is the Natural Man Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Sea, and I'm really excited for today's guest. It's B.D. Erickson! He's the president of Satic USA. He's an industry leader of clean power products, proprietary and innovative solutions to the problems of dirty electricity, and that's a huge issue today in the modern home. And we've touched on the EMF topic in previous episodes, but today we're going to touch on the issue of dirty electricity. He's also one of the leading innovators of providing clean power to American homes. This is something that I've taken very seriously in my own home and I think everybody else should do the same. So B.D., thank you for being here it's a real pleasure to have you on.”

 

B.D. Erickson II: “ Mike, I like your show, thanks for having me.”

 

Mike: “Cool! So explain to our audience, I've heard you explain this in other podcasts and I'm familiar with your work and I'm a huge fan, tell us what dirty electricity is?”

 

B.D.: “It’s not as complex as maybe it sounds or as hard to visualize as maybe people fear. We've all experienced it. The reality is that most of us, while experiencing it, didn't know what was. They know what we're experiencing. Here are some examples in my life growing up. So I grew up in the 80s and I'm at home after school watching Carol Burnette or, you know, TBS baseball, and my mom comes in to vacuum. When she does, it would put lines in the TV and temporary temporarily disrupt the quality of picture on my TV. What was happening? Clean power was coming into my mom's vacuum by use of igniting the motor, and by use of that device was putting dirty electricity or distortion, if you will, so that's harmonic distortion, back on the common or the neutral, which was affecting the TV even though the TV might have been clear across the room. Um, when the girls in our family would get ready to go, I could often hear blow dryers on my radio. That's called interference. We've all experienced crosstalk. Well, what's that? That's like maybe you get somebody else's phone call on yours, and when two wires are close together and they're each carrying a signal. You can get interference or cross talk. Air conditioners and things have a little piece of equipment called the capacitor in them to help create reactive power for low power factor. And then, you know, maybe the air conditioner comes on and the lights dim for a second. That's a voltage dip. So dirty electricity is anyone or a plethora of things that are just a disruption to the ideal frequency and voltage and stuff of electricity. Sometimes you plug your phone in, Mike, and as it charges, charges slow and gets really hot. But not always. You don't need to be an engineer to say that's weird, man, that's abnormal because it doesn't, it doesn't normally do it, right? So these things are what most of us consider to be dirty electricity.”

 

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know that lead was making them sick, right? Asbestos was the number one building material in 1976 and 1978, we're hearing about mesothelioma. It's not unusual for a change in society to bring on ill health effects, right? There's a really great book called The Electric Rainbow and the electrification of the modern world has really lined up with some pandemics, and I'm not saying that's it, I'm just saying that the timing on some of these things is really uncanny and the biggest culprit or answer to your question of what really changed, Mike? It was lighting. So 130 years ago or so, you know, Thomas Edison and his team, they came up with a light bulb, the incandescent light bulb. And it's really simple, right? It's power in and power out, which is called an anode and a cathode and in between you have a filament. And I remember in grade school, you know, he's trying all these things, you know, the string that comes from a banana and metal and all this. Tungsten became the filament. Well, that that cleans electricity. It's called the resistive load and it turns a lot of these things that we've been talking about, harmonics, electromagnetic fields, distortion, irregularities, just turns them into heat. It just takes him away. So according to the Department of Energy, most Americans, the average American household has got 20, maybe 30 light bulbs in their home. So that meant that 30 years ago, every American home and really globally, right, because we're all pretty similar, had 20 or 30 electricity cleaners, if you will. Now that's not proper grammar, but you get the communication I'm trying to make. We were all actively cleaning the grid together as a team, and then the Department of Energy and all their great wisdom switches from the incandescent light bulb that we all grew up with to the compact fluorescent lamp, the CFL, the curly Q, poisonous, disgusting, wretched product that shut down hundreds of light bulb manufacturing plants in Michigan and nationwide and now we're bringing the stuff over from China, it's got a mercury amalgam in it, it's poisonous, it's a dimmer, biohazard and they didn't clean electricity. They did the opposite. They added harmonics, distortion, electromagnetic fields, the very things that are the vast majority of culprits or definitions to dirty electricity, and we've all got 20 or 30 of them. So we went from 20 or 30 cleaners per family to 20 or 30 dirtiers. And I know that's not proper grammar, but you understand what I'm trying to communicate and vastly changed electrical supply and the grid in the world, like way more than people. It’s just, why would you ever think of that? But it really changed everything. Then something else happened, right? Direct current items, Anything with a, anything with a battery is DC. So your phone, your tablet, your pad, your laptop, all these things are direct current. And then we've got, you know, computer switch mode power supplies. So, you know, what's happening? Well, we live in an alternating current world and these things use direct current. We have to do you have to do? You have to change it. Well, you know, I love change. Change can be good. And electricity just, they just don't play well together. They're just very different. And it's not like we have one phone or one tablet in our house, Mike, I've got, I have two phones and three iPads and my laptop, I'm a culprit of 6 just on my onesie, right? So the use of technology is also magnified dirty electricity by 100 times, then, I know that I'm on a rant here, but now what's the wiring in your house? It's copper wires. Well, where do signals land? They land on antennas, and I remember when cars had antennas that didn't look like a shark’s fin when I was a kid. They just was maybe 2 feet of an aluminum piece of aluminum you could unscrew and whip your little brother in the tush with. That's what those terrible things. Oh my God, we had the best fights with those. Signals landing antennas. And so the wiring in your house now is this frigging mile of high quality copper super antenna and you turn on your phone, how many signals do you have? Well, it used to be UHF, VHF, AM and FM. That was it. When I was a kid, there were four, except for the ham radio guy and the CB radio. Right? That was it! And now you got LG 4G, 5G, LTE, DIRECTV, Dish Network, you know, Skynet, you pick it. You know you turn on your phone, you see here's printer, her printer, my printer, you know the FBI van across the street, you know. So we're living we're totally getting bombarded by these fields which live on our electrical system because of the way an antenna operates and frankly the electric company is not to blame on this one, and I am a conspiracy theorist, I’m just going to own my truth, it's not their fault we are making it in our homes period. That's the answer buddy.”

 

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B.D.: “You can’t even find them! Yeah, it’s crazy.”

 

Mike: “That is crazy! So you explained well how this stuff unfolds and how we get exposed to this, so can you give us any insight as to how dirty electricity impacts human health?”

 

B.D.: “Absolutely! So the fields and frequencies are not bad in themselves, that's part of life, man. So the earth has a frequency in the seven Hertz range, it's called Shueman frequency. And plants actually do better if you ground, you know, piece of copper and put some copper by the plants because it is Shueman frequency. And you know, how about the per of a cat? That's healing man! Right? And a little bit nice little doggy on your lap and stuff and getting a hug from grandma, and because we all have frequencies and a lot of them are healing but a lot of these man made frequencies are not, and if something can affect you positively I guess it would follow that can also affect you negatively, and, you know, do you want to be in a microwave oven? No! If you get into microwave oven, it starts shaking those molecules until it creates heat and enough friction, it creates heat, that's a millimeter wave. Well, that's 5G. I'm sorry, a 5G tower is no different than a microwave and you're farther away from it. It's a millimeter wave. What's the difference? So imagine you're at the lake and so, you know, a couple of things about a wave, right? So wave has two major attributes, how much energy is in the wave, like how hard is the wave crash or how hard is the wave hit you? And how many times does the wave hit you in a minute? So I think about sitting on the beach at Flathead Lake when I was a kid and those waves crash into the into the beach, the rock beach or hit the breakwater, what great sleep I would get there, but I've also lived on Oahu, some of the biggest waves on the planet. And those waves, they seem like they suck out really slowly and they go back half a block and then it builds 15 feet high and it crashes and has a lot more energy, but it happens a lot less times. So when you think about waves, really think about them in that way. Just sitting on a beach, how big is the wave? How often is it happening? Well, now you're on the beach, you got the lake and the jet ski goes by and he's pulling the tub, and halfway from both of those waves come in kind of cross section and they see them at the beach and then a ski boat comes by and then the fishing boat comes by and then the pontoon boat goes by and the guys on the stand up jet skis, and pretty soon there's just all these waves all over the wake and the water skiers now their best because they need glass, and there's all these tubers out there kicking butt right? It's the same thing! Like we really need to be living when the lake is glassy and we're not. We're living when the lake has got 50 jet skiers out there and guys are trying to ski, and that's happening to us. Now the other part of that is that bad for you? Well, heck yeah, it's bad for you! Think about what the grass looks like under power lines! It ain't bushier, it's bushy less! The grass under the power lines by our house I've never had to mow. I've never had to mow under there. It's, you know, very sparse at best, yellow on the sides, I've said this before on some podcasts, huge studies have been on dairy cows, Marigold, Dairy Gold, the big guys, it's well, it's undisputed. I mean, the quality and production of their milk is affected by this dirty electricity and we know greenhouses and grows, you don't want a bunch of dirty electricity or negative harmonic frequencies because it disrupts their the unity, it disrupts the life, they want a natural frequency, they want the frequency of the earth, not the frequency of your damn cell phone. And I've seen guys trying grow stuff by a Wi-Fi, you cannot grow anything by a Wi-Fi signal, it's got to be something really robust if it's too close to the Wi-Fi so you're not growing anything. I know I'm not grass but I am biological, it's really damaging to ourselves like truly genuinely so to the point of is it like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day, I think it's probably worse.”

 

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B.D.: “Oh man, and these doctors aren’t evil, it’s just Big Pharma, man. It's Rockefellers, you know, educational system for doctors and Big Pharma, does that mean that every doctor, nurse is nefarious? They're not, man. Of course not. They're beautiful people. In fact, they entered their field because they love people and they entered their field because they want to help people. And I don't think that most doctors, certainly not the ones that I know, they didn't get into the field to make a ton of money because they started by spending maybe a half million dollars on an education. They did it because they wanted to help people and I wanted to really be clear on that. But unfortunately, we know that Western philosophy of medicine is really to write a prescription for a symptom, right? So now if you get your leg broken, you're getting a car accident. I'm sorry, our surgeons are Jedi, our surgeons in our triage is top shelf in the world, but for health I think we're 79th because we write prescriptions, right? So how I feel about big pharma prescriptions, so let's say that we are on a submarine you and I, we're at you know at 4000 feet, we're nearly a mile below and we get a leak, well, what happens? The submarine tells us that the first thing that happens is this really bright, miserable red light starts flashing that's just almost blinding, right? And then what comes on? The horn and it's deafening and it sends us into a panic. Well, rather than fix the leak like what you and I do is we go smash out that red light and then we put, we put a pillow and duct tape over the horn. So we attack the symptom, we attacked the thing that's telling us we're at disease, we never look for the leak. So unfortunately we go to a Western doctor and he wants to help you, he loves you and says, well, you know, you're, you got these symptoms, let's get rid of that red light and let's get rid of that horn and so you get on drugs for that, which has five side effects that are worse. I saw one commercial. I had to laugh so hard, it said if you're suffering anxiety that you take this pill but this pill might give you a leaky butthole, and I thought if you were feeling anxious at the party before, oh man. So, so I am a conspiracy theorist, I don't think it's all nefarious, I just think that the way, you know, we're really driven towards medication is more about finding a solution to the symptom, maybe getting you on something. So let's say the dirty electricity is making you feel anxious, and it will, so they give you something that makes you not feel anxious rather than turning off whatever is causing the dirty electricity.”

 

Mike: “Wow. I mean we obviously we're all exposed to this stuff. We all, you know, so many households in the US, Canada and I'm assuming Europe have these high efficiency bulbs and these different things. So clearly this stuff is just all over our house and one solution is to maybe get rid of some of it, but we still need our phones, we still need our DC to AC converters to plug in our laptops and our, you know, our different devices that have batteries so that's not going away and we need those things. So like how do we mitigate this man? How do we ease the burden on our bodies and still be able to live and function in this modern world with our technology?”

 

B.D.: “This is a really, so not many interviewers have asked, but this is a really great question you're asking because I want my iPhone too, right? I want mine too. So the simple reality is that we're not living in some of it, unfortunately, we're living in massive amounts of it, we're getting what's called overexposed. So that's really the problem is not some exposure, we're all pretty tough, right? It's like, OK, how harmful is it? It's not as harmful as stepping in front of a high speed bus, it's not as harmful as backing into a whirling propeller, that's immediately harmful, right? But let's say a guy just doesn't eat healthy, you know, eat a lot of processed foods, a lot of sugars, smoke a lot of cigarettes, drinking a lot of booze, it doesn't kill you that day, man, it takes years to kill you. That's number one. It's a cumulative thing. Number two, our biology is different and so it's a full spectrum of how sensitive somebody is, you know, you hear the thing that you the TV commercial, the guy was exposed to secondhand smoke and he got emphysema, and I know grandmas that are 100 years old smoking two packs in bed right now, it does not affect everybody the same. It's kind of like an allergy, like some people eat a peanut and they die, right? They eat something that's got peanut oil on it, they can't breathe. I could sit in the bar eating peanuts all day, right? It's not, it doesn't affect us all the same way. Sure, it's bad for us, but is there a grandma that's been smoking two packs there for 50 years? There is. So it's very odd. So it's a blend of number one, since we're getting overexposed, let's lessen that exposure in an intelligent way, and I'm going to answer your question because that's really the question, and number two, what spectrum are you personally in an affecting you? And it affects little kids worse. And so in my life I get in this whole thing because my kid got sick, I was living in the same house and I wasn't, so in my world I have real world, no baloney experience of someone being almost debilitated by it while I didn't feel it. OK, so let's solve it, so what do you do? Use your things with some intention. Well, what does that mean? OK, so we go down to Best Buy and we get the most robust Wi-Fi extender thing in the building and we got Wi-Fi boosters and three outlets and we our house is just buzzing with it, okay, so  that's a little much, number one. Number two. why have that on when you're not actively searching, scrolling, downloading. So do you really need that on while you're in the shower? You don't. Do you really need that on for the 8 hours that you should be resting? You really should not have it on. Do you really need an on all day when you're at work for your plants and your pets? You don't. So what I do is I don't have the boosters, but I do have Wi-Fi and I set in a safe distance and I turn it on. I go, OK, it's family, you know, poison time, let's rock and roll, let's update all of our apps, let’s download our games, let's check all of our stuff, let's do all of our content, let's have an hour two and sit in the phone and let's turn it off. Turn off, let's get outside. Let's take her shoes off, as a family we go ground, we go outside, I sit literally in the grass barefoot while my nephew, the three-year old, runs barefoot and we have family grounding time outside with all this stuff turned off where we can get some of that good earth Shueman frequency. So I don't think you have to be a lunatic, but if you're going to zig, I think you got to zag, Mike.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

went to work on designing some products that would actively filter and remove this dirty electricity and all the signals that are hitting because we also talked about the antenna effect. How to get it all but still let you live a reasonably normal life and some people have to get out of it completely. Most of us don't, like most of us again, so let's say we use the Wi-Fi and the wireless stuff, let's say we use it somewhat sparingly and then we remove the electromagnetic fields and dirty electricity from our wiring which is a little more dangerous because it's so constant, it's so omni ever present and it booms into your home from the wiring, three feet for sure, six feet kind of zesty and eight feet that we can measure. So when you sit down on the couch, I'm sorry, you're right by the wall, your favorite chair is probably in the corner right by the wall, you're sitting right inside that three foot zone, now you lay down to go to bed and you stick your head eight inches from the wall, I mean, how thick do you think your headboard is?  So you're most complex sensitive device, you put it right inside this friggin field. So our products wire in, some of them, wire in at the breaker panel and they're going to create their own field. So we want this wired in really close to the breaker panel because we know that you already have a field there just by the sheer movement of electrons, you're going to have an electromagnetic fields by your breaker panel, so you put it right there, keep all the naughties there in one place and this is going to actively remove man 95 maybe 99% of the dirty electricity and then the electromagnetic fields and their subsequent radiation from the whole home, man, and they work with third party approved.  We’ve got 100,000 installed Mike!”

 

Mike: “Wow that's awesome. And so what is it doing? I know that dirty electricity, you know, it comes, and correct me if I'm wrong, we can get it from our neighbors too. Everybody's using all these electronics, so we're just dirtying the whole grid, and so the incoming feed from the utility company is often dirty, am I right?”

 

B.D.: “100%. So again, you know, I’m very quick to blame the Illuminati. I'm quick to blame the Illuminati, but I don't think you can here because let's say the power, so where we live, the power comes from a hydro dam on the Indian Reservation, energy keepers and it is beautiful, clean hydropower, and it is clean as a whistle, right? But how many car washes and beauty schools, factories does it go by before it gets to my house? In fact, they've got to stop it, clean it and boost it several times because that signal gets so degraded. And then you're exactly right, so in my house, the substation that feeds our house, there's about 440 homes in my subdivision right now and building all the time, well, we all, you know, so the two biggest culprits right now, probably outside the lighting and the and the small stuff, number one is the smart meter. Smart meters is a super, super culprit, that's number one and number two are solar inverters. So like a lot of us don't have smart meters yet in Montana, but when you go solar, you have to get an inverter because that's what makes the panels turn into AC usable power and you have to have a net meter because it has to be able to spin backwards and capture your watts for net metering. So unfortunately when you go solar, you're getting the two biggest naughties, you're getting the net meter and you're getting the inverter you're getting fried and even if you don't have that if your neighbor does the point you just made oh your numbers are off the chain just by being connected to them.”

 

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B.D.: “That’s correct, man. I mean, so, people are going to say well you have a motor running it’s going to be, a motor running is going to create a little bit of heat and we don’t have moving parts, you’re going to have some heat. But they shouldn't be hot, and so you know, the back of your fridge, the back of mine was really warm, in fact, both the freezers in the garage really warm, your air conditioner really warm, they should not be that warm, your phone should not get hot when it charges, your DVR and your stereo and your TV and all that, those things are glowing. I'm sorry, your DVR and those things are glowing and they should not be that hot. And a big portion of that is this dirty electricity, this non usable, dirty reactive power that can't get converted into mechanical heat or mechanical work. So it can't get converted into mechanical work, where's it go? Not pixie dust! It doesn't turn into to fairy farts, man, it turns into heat! So in the back of your fridge is hot, the back of your stereo and all these things are hot. And that does a couple things. Number one, that thing doesn't want to be hot, it hates being hot! Number two, you're asking it to make cold, man. And you got it hot! Number three, your air conditioner is blowing to beat the band and you've got all this stuff puking BTU’s right into that environment! So we always say clean power is good for you, it's good for your stuff and that's good for your wallet, you know, period.”

 

Mike: “Yeah defiantly! So if you’ve properly mitigated your dirty electricity, what you're saying is a lot of that stuff won't get as hot, is that right?”

 

B.D.: “So, so we played this game all the time. Exactly correct. We played this game all the time. Turn your PowerPerfect off, go to the panel and turn it off, give it an hour, do a heat gunner, just feel with your hands, we're pretty good at sensing temperatures with our hands, we’re really better at it then people think, and then turn it on and just it will physically cool down. Oftentimes it sounds better, like we did this, we did a bar out here in Western Montana and the huge, you know, 400 ton chiller or whatever, the thing was so noisy the bartender needed freaking hazard pay when it went into this thing and the back of it was hot and it was just noisy and we told the bartender or the bar owners, excuse me, it'll make your bill go down, it'll certainly make this old piece of equipment last longer. And who wants to buy another $20,000 chiller? Nobody, right? When we put them on, so the way we land them on breakers and then we turn the breaker on, the minute we turn them on, it went from the noisiest piece of equipment imaginable, certainly in a bar restaurant and he was done. He goes, that's it, he goes that was worth it right there. If it does nothing else then kill that huge racket, I'm sold. So it literally went from like 80 or 90 decibels to a hum and then it stopped shrugging all that heat, and so what happened when it wasn't shrugging as much heat, it didn't turn on as many times, it didn't have to! It crushed his bill it crushed it! It's one of my best testimonials and it's thirteen years old. So yes it'll physically get cooler and oftentimes even quieter.”

 

Mike: “And so this whole home filter, obviously there there's a bit of a cost to that, I know people use some cheaper alternatives, people who are conscious of this stuff they use those filters they plug in around the house, what's your opinion on those? I know there's some different companies that make those, what do you think of those?”

 

B.D.: “So does it work? It can, absolutely. It’s very much yester tech, and you need so many of them that now I don't really think it's cheaper anymore, it's cheaper if you buy one, it's not cheaper if you buy 30. Now we're comparable on price and they're capacitor based, and capacitors have a place, they do, they have a place, but you don't want too many of them, you don't want too many of them because they do what's called over capacitate and they lead voltage and once you're leading voltage then you might not have as much harmonic distortion or EMF. But your lightbulbs are not going to last as long, circuit boards aren't going to like it, a lot of electronics in your house are not going to be happy. So does it work for health and if it was that or nothing, I would say choose it, use it sparingly, less is more, and they're just simply are better products out there because the rest of us just keep innovating, and I say that with love in my heart and I really want to come from that space because there's room for all of us to thrive, for sure.”

 

Mike: “Yeah. No are there any measurable fields from these devices whether it's the Satic whole home or these different filters that plug in around the house? Has anyone taken measurements to see if there's fields coming off those at all?”

 

B.D.: “It’s easy to measure! You can have two major fields, so when you have voltage, you're going electric field, when that voltage is pressure it starts pushing current, you're going to have a magnetic field. So that's really this electromagnetic field. Any fully charged capacitor bank, any fully charged piece of electronic is going to have an electromagnetic field. So you're going to create, I don't know what you call it, a node or something, yes, you're going to create a field around all of them. We make plug-in stuff too. But rather than having one component, ours has like eight different filters in it, you know, it creates a small field and our wiring unit will create a field, heck yeah, that's why we put it by the breaker panel because you've already got a field there anyway! Like if you can't, you can't undo a magnetic field, it's there, it's a result of current. So we put it by it, so that, you know, is it evil? Well, it's not healthy. Put it in its place, put it where it goes, and the problem is you put these little filters all through the house, then you're fixing one thing and you're creating another. So it's really not the best way in our opinion as engineers to do it.”

 

Mike: “Well that’s good information to know! So obviously we all have some of this present in our homes and in varying degrees, the dirty electricity I'm talking about, so what are some of the worst offenders? You mentioned hair dryers, you know, there are certain appliances. What are some of the worst offenders that create the most dirty electricity in the home that likely we all have?”

 

B.D.: “So for sure we all have CFL's and LED. So the LED is the newest light. So it's interesting that we spent 130 years on the incandescent light bulb from Edison, we only spent about a decade with the compact fluorescent curly cue and now we've got LED. Well, LED is not, the components that make a compact fluorescent are poisonous, they're mercury amalgamate, they're bad, bad, bad. The components in an LED are very unnerved, it’s just their diodes. Well, that's a light emitting diode, well, that's DC, but what does that mean? It means it's also creating dirty electricity, So number one, we make LED's not just under the shameless pitch my stuff, lighting is probably the number one cause of dirty electricity, so just swap out your lighting. Number two, a riostat or a dimmer, if you've got your dimmer on anywhere other than off or full blast on, it's creating massive amounts of dirty electricity. So lights number one, dimmers number two, smart meters number three, solar inverters number four, DC things phones, tablets, pads number five, computers and switch mode power supplies number six, and then anything with the motor, anything with the motor, washer, dryer, dishwasher, refrigerators, not your range, excuse me, anything with the motor, the range, your stove, if it's not gas, if it's electric, it's actually good for your electricity, it'll clean it! So your electricity numbers will be way cleaner when your stove is on 100%”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

my kid. But after that, I mean, he's still one of, we still live in the modern world, I'm not coming off my iPhone, I have two of them, you know, and you can' affect what your neighbor does, and you know, if you've got a smart meter on your house, then after this, after this interview you need to go online and you need to get one of our products and you need to get a piece of FieldShield and you need to put that shielding over that smart meter because you literally have a cell tower on the side of your house and it's really bad for your family, especially if you have kids, period.”

 

Mike: “Wow. And so as far as lighting goes, do you recommend that we stick to incandescence?”

 

B.D.: “If you can get incandescence, they're brilliant, they're great. They last 100 frigging years and they're cheap and they clean the power, and the lights kind of soothing, it's not the blue, it’s kind of that yellow, red light. It just kind of, kind of homey.”

 

Mike: “I was just going say that those lights are comforting. I mean, we have those all over the house and I love them, I mean the glow like you say it's, it's more intimate, it's clearly a wider spectrum than just those modern, you know, the blue and the, what do they call them, the fluorescence.”

 

B.D.: “Yeah, Mike, you don't want to see every pimple on someone's face, you know? And I'm trying, not trying to operate on you, you know? The cozy light is it's got a better mood, it's easier on skin and stuff. The really full spectrum blue stuff has its place. If you're going to do art, you really need good color rendering, in your closet we're going to try and match your socks and your belt and your tie, they have a place, they're great, but they're not soothing or comforting number one for my personality type at least, and number two if it's bad for your health then jettison it, get rid of it.”  

 

Mike: “Yeah definitely. I've even noticed in my own household, you know, we bring the lights down as evening hours approach, and I just find like, you know, the younger members of the family they even calm down a little bit, you know, lights hype people up, I think, when they're on to bright at the wrong time of day. That’s been my experience.”

 

B.D.: “I agree. The calmer light now that soothes the wild beast doesn’t it?”

 

Mike: “Yeah, definitely. You know, dirty electricity obviously impacts people. Now there are some statistics out there that say, and we will say this obviously is part of EMFs, electromagnetic fields, but, they say about 30 to 35% of people have some sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, so you know, let's say that's a third. So are those other 2/3, should they not be as concerned about this? Should everybody be concerned? What’s your take on that?”

 

B.D.: “Great question. So, again, we're not dealing with trading in fear, but we're being brave, like, we're speaking and owning our truth even if it's not popular. You know, some people can eat processed foods out of boxes and cans. Their metabolism keeps them kind of thin, does that mean it's good for them? It doesn't. They're not showing effects of it, but it's still not good for them. You know, some people can eat, you know, one bag of potato chips and they gain two pounds just because the metabolism. So again, it affects all of us differently and it's a spectrum of how sensitive, but it's proven damaging to the biological. So let's say, I don't know, if you remember like in 3rd and 4th grade, you put the lima beans on the wet paper towel and then they germinate and you see it come out and you grow off alpha sprouts and everybody's grown potatoes and onions by accident in their pantry, if you did this experiment right by, you know, a cell tower or right by a smart meter or right by your Wi-Fi, it would not grow, it won't grow, it won't germinate, so it is not good for you. So if you're conscious about what you drink for water, if you're conscious about what you put in your body for fuel, if you're conscious about maybe trying to get some exercise, then this absolutely positively has got to be on your list of the box you need to check in an action you need to take for your own personal health, especially if you got kids.”

 

Mike: “Wow, that’s great information man, and you have been very humble and, you know, kind about your time and everything, and I appreciate that, and you know, you've been hesitant to plug yourself but no I want you to plug yourself and plug your company. So how do people learn more about your products?”

 

B.D.: “Our main website is called Satic Shield and that's S.A.T.I.C, www.saticshield.com regular spelling, that's our store. But a lot of people, you know, you want to call, you want to, you want a personal connection, and we don't, you know, send you to a call center, we've got a team of EMF electromagnetic field and EHS, electrohypersensitivity syndrome, specialists that we feel you know, 100 calls a day and people need to tell their story about how it affects them and what your situation is, and then the first thing we try and do is do you for free, man, let's find your culprits, let's find you have a wiring errors or something that you can turn off and going to get you a better sleep, and then we deduce what product you really need and how it goes and, you know, we give you a full month from when you start testing it! We don't have three day return any of that, I mean it might take you four days to get the dumb thing in a couple days to get it and get it hooked up and a couple of days to just be inside your own skin and see if you feel it, and we give you a full month from that point on to really make sure that it's tuned in and you're feeling what you're feeling and sometimes if you've got a wiring error or something, it won't fix it right away, and so we send you a meter, and a lot of times we'll just lend you one of our meters for free! If you've been a good customer and stuff, lend your meter for free. And then you'll find an outlet that has a short, you'll find an outlet that has a reverse ground and neutral, oh and you’ll spend 20 bucks electrician to get that fixed and then boom, your whole world changes. So it's, you know, saticshield.com, you're invited to go on, we love to give special deals after people listen to podcasts and buy anything, it's always satisfaction guaranteed, it's free shipping. but if you want to talk to a human you will not find more knowledgeable and open hearted and genuine people to hear your story than when you call us at Satic Shield, it's that what we love doing.”

 

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